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« on: March 16, 2010, 02:30:23 am »

is there any test  on the Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8 L IS II USM ?   vs Canon EF 70-200mm f2.8 L IS I

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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2010, 02:07:19 am »

Hi Eric,

Diglloyd.com (paid site) has one for testing at the moment. A full review shouldn't be too far away.

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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2010, 12:30:43 pm »

Test chart comparison is here vs the original 70-200 f/2.8 IS .... full review hasn't been posted yet. Looks pretty darn good to me.

70-200 Comparison Test Chart
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2010, 03:01:56 pm »

I must renew my  Diglloyd account

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 03:37:43 am »

Early hints from Diglloyd suggest it might even be better than the new Nikon 70-200mm.


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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2010, 10:29:12 am »

There are apparently problems with reduced contrast and sharpness when stopping DOWN from f/4 to smaller
apertures in the central region at 200mm and 135mm.  Most lenses can be expected to improve under those
conditions.  

http://www.diglloyd.com/diglloyd/index.html

Do any of you own this lens- have you encountered this?
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2010, 08:27:45 pm »

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There are apparently problems with reduced contrast and sharpness when stopping DOWN from f/4 to smaller
apertures in the central region at 200mm and 135mm.  Most lenses can be expected to improve under those
conditions.  

http://www.diglloyd.com/diglloyd/index.html

Do any of you own this lens- have you encountered this?

I read the review too. I Hope he tests another sample.

It's alot of $$$ for this kind of behaviour! Appears stellar from f2.8 - f4.
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2010, 06:44:35 pm »

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I read the review too. I Hope he tests another sample.

It's alot of $$$ for this kind of behaviour! Appears stellar from f2.8 - f4.

Looks like Lloyd has confirmed the issue with another sample....

I'm not a Canon user, so I have no horse in this race, but overall I think we need to remember that lenses quite often involve compromises. If, ten years ago, you could have told me that zoom lenses I use today would be as sharp as they are and in some cases realistically compete with primes, I would have laughed, but today, that's a real possibility these days with the best ones. However, to get to this point, I think the designers have to make choices. The Canon 70-200 L-II seems to be quite excellent (and relatively free from the "issue") at closer ranges, but suffers from it at the longer distances. So a photojournalist or event shooter who works in the closer and moderately close distances, and probably not at 5.6 or 8 a lot would likely not have much of an issue with the lens - and in his scenario would likely be very happy with it since he shoots in the functional areas where the new lens is quite strong. Someone who wants the lens for landscape or long range work, particularly past 135 or so mm and at F/5.6 or F/8 would be better served with something else.

I'm on the Nikon side of the house and we went through the same sort of thing with the new 70-200 too - a stunningly sharp lens, slightly biased towards closer/moderate distances as well, yet it performs well stopped down at distance, but the trade-off there was that the lens, at 200mm and closer distances, isn't providing the same field of view as a 200 prime and in order to get to the same field of view you need to step closer to your subject about 3-4 feet. Changes the perspective of the image for those who used it as a 200mm for very tight shots close in. Not a deal killer for me personally, but man, some folks went livid over that design choice (trade off) and to them the lens is not a good fit for them at all. The Nikon trade off works better for me than the Canon trade off, but for an event shooter, particularly one who works at or near 200mm and close in, the Canon trade off might work better. Point being, I'm pretty sure with the considerable lens design talents of either manufacturer that IF they could have made a perfect 70-200 they would have done so, but they ran into the same obstacles everyone else does and they made choices - in this case the brands made different choices - but perhaps this serves as a reminder that quite a few lenses, and definitely a few on Nikons side of the house, are designed with a purpose in mind - some lenses work better in the close/moderate range, some don't, some are biased for extremely high center sharpness but expected edge issues wide open, some aren't. You can optimize "all in" for sharpness, but take a hit in terms of distortion or bokeh - the list goes on and on. The great thing with the subjective reviews from someone who is picky (as Lloyd Chambers is) is that we can discover where and what these design trade offs might be, and this helps us decide whether the lens is better for us or not. It's not so much for the brand bashing that often goes on in the forums, but rather to let us make our choices for our "next lens" more intelligently. Test charts and graphs may miss this sort of thing, whereas well done subjective testing doesn't - there's more to a lens than it's MTF performance at one distance...

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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 04:59:56 am »

Mike,

I see that Diglloyd has tested a third sample. This third sample is much improved and doesn't show the same  f8 degradation.

Seems as though Canon and Nikon are struggling to bulk manufacture these new generation of zoom designs.

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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 12:44:32 pm »

hopefully (?) this is just another example of getting production of a new lens design under control- i am extremely reluctant to by an early production sample of a complex zoom lens
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 03:08:44 pm »

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hopefully (?) this is just another example of getting production of a new lens design under control- i am extremely reluctant to by an early production sample of a complex zoom lens
no such issues discussed here...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews...ens-Review.aspx

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 09:24:00 pm »

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no such issues discussed here...

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews...ens-Review.aspx


Perhaps it's the luck of the draw!
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 09:53:37 pm »

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Perhaps it's the luck of the draw!

Yea, no doubt!

I'm with the other poster - I think from now on I'll wait a while on any complex zoom lens anyone introduces. I had to go through one slightly "off" copy of the Nikkor 70-200/2.8 VR2 but the second one is frankly amazing - I definitely paid the early adopter price there - so I think it's wise to wait it out until manufacturing gets used to things. Looks like the designers eyes are bigger than the manufacturing lines stomachs, to mangle a metaphor....

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2010, 01:04:49 am »

2000 euro if you are lucky ...  nothing for me
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2010, 09:49:28 pm »

Diglloyd comments on his site that his 70-200mm f4 is still skewed    left/right even after adjustment by Canon. What does he mean by that?
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2010, 10:59:44 pm »

that the resolution on one edge of the frame is significantly less than the other - this is the case with every zoom (to one degree or another) and not uncommon with primes.  The question is how much?  Since Lloyd doesn't shoot charts to quantify resolution (and he is pretty demanding), i'm not sure how much of problem this is - except that Canon (and others) often start selling new product before their manufacuring is under control, and i've said above, i wouldn't be the first on the block to buy a new design lens.

i've tested a few lenses with Imatest and found a couple extremely nasty examples.  my 17-40 was less than half as sharp on one side than the other even at f5.6, after a warranty trip to Canon service it is much improved - but not great.  I find wide angle zooms to be the worst and am quite satisfied with a 20% difference side-to-side (if the corners aren't bad, that's a bonus).  Telephotos are not as bad as WA and should certainly fall within my 20% criteria (which about what you can reasonably see pixel-peeping a brick wall).
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2010, 03:46:01 am »

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that the resolution on one edge of the frame is significantly less than the other - this is the case with every zoom (to one degree or another) and not uncommon with primes.  The question is how much?  Since Lloyd doesn't shoot charts to quantify resolution (and he is pretty demanding), i'm not sure how much of problem this is - except that Canon (and others) often start selling new product before their manufacuring is under control, and i've said above, i wouldn't be the first on the block to buy a new design lens.

i've tested a few lenses with Imatest and found a couple extremely nasty examples.  my 17-40 was less than half as sharp on one side than the other even at f5.6, after a warranty trip to Canon service it is much improved - but not great.  I find wide angle zooms to be the worst and am quite satisfied with a 20% difference side-to-side (if the corners aren't bad, that's a bonus).  Telephotos are not as bad as WA and should certainly fall within my 20% criteria (which about what you can reasonably see pixel-peeping a brick wall).


I have had the same problem with my copy of the 17-40mm. It was like the arse end of a coke bottle. I sold it and bought a 16-35mm II was much better. I can still tell that one side is very slightly sharper than the other but it's only really visible at 1:1. Sometimes it is difficult to tell if it is the lens, the lens mount or sensor tilt.

I was rather suprise to see a similar issue with my 21mm ZE Zeiss. The problem really stood out because the lens is so sharp. I sent it back to B and H and my second copy was spot on.
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2010, 12:59:19 am »

It's not a detailed review like you'll get from Lloyd's site, but here is a quick test between 70-200/2.8 version I and version II. I primarily wanted to see how much better the IS was after hearing our Canon rep boasting about it. I have to say, I was stunned at the difference.

http://www.captureintegration.com/category/steve/

This wouldn't be an example of an image quality comparison. These were shot through a window, FYI. So, it was more just to see how well the version II IS dealt with the handholding compared to the version I. It's an expensive lens, but it seems to do what it sets out to do.


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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2010, 03:59:10 am »

Very impressive Steve !
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2010, 01:00:57 pm »

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It's not a detailed review like you'll get from Lloyd's site, but here is a quick test between 70-200/2.8 version I and version II. I primarily wanted to see how much better the IS was after hearing our Canon rep boasting about it. I have to say, I was stunned at the difference.

http://www.captureintegration.com/category/steve/

This wouldn't be an example of an image quality comparison. These were shot through a window, FYI. So, it was more just to see how well the version II IS dealt with the handholding compared to the version I. It's an expensive lens, but it seems to do what it sets out to do.

I have had the lens for three weeks and I can say the same.  It's quite an improvement.

I traded in my copy of the prev. version so I don't have before and after but... I shot with the older version for about seven years.  The new lens is sharper,  faster, extends the IS range further, and is a more consistent focuser.

Some samples here on my blog.
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