Hartblei cam review on LL

[Ben Peartree]

Just interesting about Hartblei, when did it become a German company? As far as I know, this was just a group of people in Kiev, Ukraine, who were "upgrading" and "tuning" Kiev m/f cameras ( http://www.hartblei.com/ ), something like Arax ( http://araxfoto.com/ ). Nothing special, just artisan undertaking.

"Stefan Steib is the CEO of Hartblei. He is a German photographer and entrepreneur who lives in Munich. Hartblei is a company that has been around for a while, manufacturing camera lenses in the Ukraine, most recently with tilt / shift models using Carl Zeiss manufactured glass and designs." - from the LL review.

[BernardLanguillier]

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/came...tblei-cam.shtml

Nice review of an interesting product.

It would have been nice to also see results with the Hartblei lenses with Zeiss glass. DigiLloyd speaks extremely highly of them on the d3x, best bokeh of any lens it seems.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Graham Mitchell]

Interesting that no-one has mentioned the Sinar M system, which already does this trick (albeit it only with Nikon lenses, not Canon afaik:

http://www.sinar.ch/en/products/shutters/177-sinar-m

[Dick Roadnight]

Immensely interesting camera and review.

I wonder if the 35mm super-teles have equally large image circles, like their large-format counterparts.
Is there any compatible film back? Hasselblad A12 would need a film transport mechanism.

Pedro

I have a Novoflex lens, which is non-telephoto, with 640mm and (Leica made) 400mm lens heads.

The diaphragm of this lens is behind the rear element, so I was thinking of mounting a shutter on it and putting it on my P3... but I could put it on the Hartblie... does the 35mm mount vignette with long lenses?

[Dick Roadnight]

well I can tell you the Leica R modular doesnt-it is fine on P45+ with 1.1 crop but the P65+ vignettes terribly

Victor

Is the lens image circle that vignettes , or the mount? I am sure my Novoflex lenses will be OK. re image circle.

[Dick Roadnight]

I will be seeing this camera in Manchester UK, tomorrow, so if anyone has any questions, ask and I will get back to you.

[MHFA]

So Hartblei, Sinar, Linhof and ALPA are all small enterprises from Munich and Zürich, what great system would it it be if they would work together.
Michael Heinrich

[Dick Roadnight]

Why do they not produce a cost-effective version (without motorised slide) for live view?

What about "proper" MF wide angle lenses, like the Schneider Apo-digitars, which are very difficult or impossible to use with cameras like the Sinar P3?

[yaya]

I will be seeing this camera in Manchester UK, tomorrow, so if anyone has any questions, ask and I will get back to you.

We are going to have the 17TS/E, 24TS/E and 100mm macro Canon lenses on the camera there

Yair

[yaya]

Interesting that no-one has mentioned the Sinar M system, which already does this trick (albeit it only with Nikon lenses, not Canon afaik:

http://www.sinar.ch/en/products/shutters/177-sinar-m

That's probably because it only works with Sinar backs? The Old Sinarcam also took Nikon and Hasselblad lenses but it was not portable.

[paratom]

I dont get the point so far.
Where is the advantage of using a Hartblei with a Canon T/S lens and decreased T/S movements compared to just using a tech camera with a propper MF lens from Schneider or Rodenstock?

[Graham Mitchell]

That's probably because it only works with Sinar backs? The Old Sinarcam also took Nikon and Hasselblad lenses but it was not portable.

True, they are not the same. I was just pointing out that using 35mm lenses with a medium format back is far from new.

[kers]

Interesting Camera from Hartblei

in line of it

I am still waiting for the camera i can use with

  whatever lens i have    in combination with    whatever digital back i choose

Or is it already there?

I have such beautiful lenses that are now unused...

like the mamiya7  lenses  ( no digital solution )

The 4x5 inch lenses from Schneider and Rodenstock

the old pentacon six lenses made bij carl Zeiss DDR...

My nikkor  lenses ....etc

[vgogolak]

Is the lens image circle that vignettes , or the mount? I am sure my Novoflex lenses will be OK. re image circle.

I am cusious too
I suspect it may actually be the copal shutter opening, since the viewer doesnt vignette as badly as the shot

I am going to sendthe Truewide to Keith to check. I am going to suggest he try to get his hands on the mamyia shutter!

Victor

[vgogolak]

While I agree on the wide side, I would say that most lenses longer than 100mm from Canon are as good as anything else in 35mm

I have seen some pretty good shots with long Canon lenses, esp some here with better beamer in wildlife.

However Rod and Schneider make canon wides look like holgas  (oops, scratch that, sounds like flaming; how about like a P&S? will that pass?  :-)

[Christopher]

I dont get the point so far.
Where is the advantage of using a Hartblei with a Canon T/S lens and decreased T/S movements compared to just using a tech camera with a propper MF lens from Schneider or Rodenstock?

Well perhaps because there is no 24lens with movements from either company ? You know that there is only the R 23HR which covers the P65, nothing else in that range, so if someone needs something wider the HC is an option.

In additon I would have loved to see the Hartblei 40, 85 and 120 T/S lens on thet camera. They are extremely good on the 1DsMk3 and would probably do well on a P65.

[Christopher]

I have seen some pretty good shots with long Canon lenses, esp some here with better beamer in wildlife.

However Rod and Schneider make canon wides look like holgas  (oops, scratch that, sounds like flaming; how about like a P&S? will that pass?  :-)

Yes especially the nice 24 from Schneider, which even comes with build in dark corners on a P65 :-P

[narikin]

can someone enlighten me what that viewing hood in the images of the HCam is, and who makes it?
it looks like an image inverter for 645 or 6x9 screens

thanks.

[ThierryH]

True, they are not the same. I was just pointing out that using 35mm lenses with a medium format back is far from new.

Sinar had even a mount/adapter for Leica lenses on the Sinarcam, as a stand-alone solution, and that was over 10 years ago.

Best regards,
Thierry

[AlanG]

From what I can see in the examples, the color stays even across the field when the lenses are shifted.