Hartblei cam review on LL

[Graham Mitchell]

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/came...tblei-cam.shtml

Seems like an interesting piece of kit for a small niche. I found the article slightly unclear about one thing: Michael was using a P45+ back which is not full 645 (1.17x crop factor), yet used the term '645' throughout the article. I wonder how much movement there would be, if any, with the P65+? At least the P45+ is a common sensor size which most readers will relate to.

[michael]

The difference is tiny. The 24mm T/S in particular has tremendous covering power.

Michael

[Bernhard]

after reading Rainer's comparison between the TS-E Eos and Rodenstock HR this seems like the way to go for the extreme wide angle

one question Micheal? how long does it take for the motor to move the sliding back from viewing to capture?

[BJNY]

Curious to know the manufacturer in Italy....Fatif, Silvestri,...?

[michael]

after reading Rainer's comparison between the TS-E Eos and Rodenstock HR this seems like the way to go for the extreme wide angle

one question Micheal? how long does it take for the motor to move the sliding back from viewing to capture?

About 3-4 seconds.

Michael

[uaiomex]

My socks still poised.
Eduardo

[vgogolak]

as interesting as the Harblei cam is, it is not unique.
I have been using the TrueWide from Kapture group for almost a year with the ONLY Leica R mount they ever did!
attached.
I used with P45+ (better with crop factor) now P65+ (vignetting, but sill more than 40MP center)
see the setup and image (cropped)
that is with Leica R Modular 800mm 200 ft away

HOWEVER, and it is a BIG however, the TrueWide has a copal shutter max 1/125
hence the massive optical bench (with 28" RRS camera bar!)

[and yes, color balance offf didnt convert from PhotoProRGB to sRGB  :-(
BTW do click to see the large image. detail is impressive

Imaging a 40MP Leica R... better than an R10

and yes, I am considering the Hcam with 1/4000!

Victor

[Khun_K]

interesting review on both a nicely thought out and exectured image capture platform, and a little more interesting Canon lens. May be all the newer gernation Canon lenses all intended to have larger than usual image circle to make way for a larger than 135 sensor size medium format Canon?

[Pedro Kok]

Immensely interesting camera and review.

I wonder if the 35mm super-teles have equally large image circles, like their large-format counterparts.
Is there any compatible film back? Hasselblad A12 would need a film transport mechanism.


Pedro

[vgogolak]

About 3-4 seconds.

Michael

On the Truewide, as fast as you can move with your hand, and cock the shutter
about1-2 secs

Victor

PS I have NO interest in Kapture gp, and if the Hcam were available last year I probably would have bought it instead. But These things have BIG limitations. My socks are still in place as well

LOL

[Jonathan Wienke]

So what would happen if you put a 600mm Canon telephoto on the HCam? Supposedly most telephoto lenses have plenty of excess image circle; could that be another niche for the HCam?

[Christopher]

So what would happen if you put a 600mm Canon telephoto on the HCam? Supposedly most telephoto lenses have plenty of excess image circle; could that be another niche for the HCam?

I would love to see that ;-) or even better use the Canon 1200.

[Jonathan Wienke]

I would love to see that ;-) or even better use the Canon 1200.

1200 + HCam = geekgasm...

[vgogolak]

So what would happen if you put a 600mm Canon telephoto on the HCam? Supposedly most telephoto lenses have plenty of excess image circle; could that be another niche for the HCam?

well I can tell you the Leica R modular doesnt-it is fine on P45+ with 1.1 crop but the P65+ vignettes terribly
 
I have used some Viso Leica lenses directly on the Contax FF and they are fine (280 in particular)

All Hassey lenses too but these you just need adapters for Contax or Mamyia
 I will be checking other Leica lenses, as telephoto is my interest even if it vignettes. Hell, where else can you get 40 MP for a Leica telephoto?

I don't do Canon and frankly the idea of putting a canon lens on a $50k camera (incl back of course) just boggles my mind. but what do old farts know (67 and counting!)

Victor

[Christopher]

well I can tell you the Leica R modular doesnt-it is fine on P45+ with 1.1 crop but the P65+ vignettes terribly
 
I have used some Viso Leica lenses directly on the Contax FF and they are fine (280 in particular)

All Hassey lenses too but these you just need adapters for Contax or Mamyia
 I will be checking other Leica lenses, as telephoto is my interest even if it vignettes. Hell, where else can you get 40 MP for a Leica telephoto?

I don't do Canon and frankly the idea of putting a canon lens on a $50k camera (incl back of course) just boggles my mind. but what do old farts know (67 and counting!)

Victor

While I agree on the wide side, I would say that most lenses longer than 100mm from Canon are as good as anything else in 35mm

[BobDavid]

I am underwhelmed by this camera.  Why not put the 17mm TS on a 5D MK II or 1DS III instead? Rainer's tests are very impressive ( 17tse compared with 23HR). I'm not convinced that the superior dynamic range and rendering capabilities of an MF chip justify the end result of the Hcam. It seems kind of funny -- mounting a P65+ and a Canon TS onto this thing.

[Eric Brody]

Sounds wonderful but Michael said it's not for amateurs like me  I am sure it will be produced in painfully small quantities and is a device of considerable precision but that's still a lot of euros or dollars for a camera with neither a lens nor a back, nor any movements for standard lenses. I did pay $3k for an Arca Swiss F line view camera, but that had all the tilts and shifts already built in for essentially any lens you could stick on the front, and used lenses could be had for a few hundred $. And they used to make readyloads and quickloads too. Oh well, medium format digital will remain one of those things to fantasize about.

[mike.online]

I may not be in the market for anything close to this product, but I really enjoyed the article.

The images were fantastic, the examples were well done and you have altogether stimulated my interest in the topic. Medium format is neat, and tilts and shifts are fascinating. two of my favorite topics in photography combined.

I especially enjoyed the Conservatory image (figure 11) and Stairs and Figures (figure 12)

Thanks again,
- Michael


(edit: erm.. it appears that there might already be a thread for this in the Large format forum. my apologies, admin feel free to move/delete if needed)

[EricWHiss]

Canon sure has come a long way with their glass - 2 years ago I would never have guessed I'd be seeing anything canon in front of a p45+.  

The camera looks great - hope they do well with it.

[Dmitry Reznitsky]

Just interesting about Hartblei, when did it become a German company? As far as I know, this was just a group of people in Kiev, Ukraine, who were "upgrading" and "tuning" Kiev m/f cameras ( http://www.hartblei.com/ ), something like Arax ( http://araxfoto.com/ ). Nothing special, just artisan undertaking.