What about Hasselblad

[gdwhalen]

Wow, I actually feel smarter after reading something in here.  Maybe this post and answer will get this place back on track.  

I want to thank both of you for your question and answers.  Appreciated.

[Dick Roadnight]

Ill admit that the H2D was a bit of a lemon on first release.
David

Will the delay in the release of the HD4 result in a lemon-free camera on first release?

[Mr. Rib]

bcooter, David Grover- thanks a lot. This was very valuable.

[oscar falero]

Excellent David!

[gdwhalen]

Will the delay in the release of the HD4 result in a lemon-free camera on first release?

How has the Hd4 been delayed?  I thought it was coming out first of the year?  Has that changed?

[David Grover / Capture One]

How has the Hd4 been delayed?  I thought it was coming out first of the year?  Has that changed?

It is coming out January.  Dick was referring to the H3DII-60 which we decided to simply issue as an H4D later on to save having two 60MP versions in the market place.

[Hywel]

Use film?  ;-)

You can easily create different looks in the software and save them as presets.  These can be applied in one click to a single image or to a batch of images.  Remembering once again this is non-destructive.

This could also be applied on import from CF card.  So if you have defined a look early on in the day/shoot, this can be saved as a preset and applied subsequently to any other import from a CF Card.  Obviously you can apply any look to an image as it is captured tethered.

I'll just step in here and say that this particular aspect of Phocus & Hasselblad workflow works really well for me. I like it a lot. Generally speaking, I'm my own art director on shoots and don't have clients breathing down my neck evaluating the shots, but what I do have is models who are very keen to see how everything looks on screen. The ability to apply our "regular" look on import from CF means that the shots are a much closer approximation of the final versions (especially in terms of really lush colours with our "signature look") than we could ever get out of Canons we previously worked with.

When we reviewed sets over dinner every evening it was the 'blad shots that everyone went "ooooooooh!" over- not the 5D Mk2 shots. Better impact right off the card, without making any decision that can't be instantly reversed, non-destructively, and batch applied at a later stage. This particular feature works really well for me.

Cheers, Hywel.

[Dick Roadnight]

How has the Hd4 been delayed?  I thought it was coming out first of the year?  Has that changed?

The "60" has been delayed...
I think 15/1/2010 is the current anticipated release date of the H4D-60, but they were going to release the H3D11-60 in October I think, but that, of course was a different model.

[john milich]

this thread seems to be getting some attention, so i have a phocus question about export.
specifically, how does one set the export destination simply?
when i choose export, i get the root directory and have to sort through the tree to get anywhere.
my workflow is to store processed images within a subfolder with the shoot date name, that also contains the imported images.
what would be handy is a way to set the export destination the same way one sets the capture destination (by selection from the browser, where one can see the tree and what subfolder is open).  a useful one line choice would be " same as capture destination" presumably in a "preview" subdirectory.
am i missing something simple?

[AlexM]

this thread seems to be getting some attention, so i have a phocus question about export.
specifically, how does one set the export destination simply?
when i choose export, i get the root directory and have to sort through the tree to get anywhere.
my workflow is to store processed images within a subfolder with the shoot date name, that also contains the imported images.
what would be handy is a way to set the export destination the same way one sets the capture destination (by selection from the browser, where one can see the tree and what subfolder is open).  a useful one line choice would be " same as capture destination" presumably in a "preview" subdirectory.
am i missing something simple?

There is no such a shortcut like for the capture destination, and it would save a few seconds, I agree.
But you'll have to list through directories from the root folder only once. The next time you export something the phocus opens the same folder unless the folder was deleted.

[gwhitf]

14.   Transparency.  Nothing sends a customer more loopy than to have a dealer or tech rep say, "uh centerfold, we've seen no centerfold" only to see a firmware release three weeks later saying "the centerfold is now fixed".

I love that one too. As in, "Mirror slap on the H1? No way. What mirror slap?", and then, the next camera and firmware comes out, and quietly, there's a Custom Function introduced for "Mirror Delay".

Why fix a non-existent problem?

And this is not a Hasselblad-bash. I am an Equal Opportunity Basher. I own Phase backs too, and my list is long. So enough with the Hasselblad-bash remarks. But distrust? Yeah, I got it.

[BrianSmith]

I love that one too. As in, "Mirror slap on the H1? No way. What mirror slap?", and then, the next camera and firmware comes out, and quietly, there's a Custom Function introduced for "Mirror Delay".

Why fix a non-existent problem?

Gwyneth,

Think of Mirror Slap not as a problem but as a FEATURE...

Mirror Delay is a way to build Product Feature Anticipation to a fever pitch.

Simply Brilliant!

[BrianSmith]

The Million Dollar Question, also known as Poulsen's Dilemma, is: Does it make them invest further in Hasselblad, or does it make them bolt to Nikon/Canon?

Gwyneth,

Hasselblad is still only up the The Sixty Four Thousand Dollar Question, but in time if they get lucky with Phone-A-Friend and 50/50 they may get the price of their cameras up to The Million Dollar Question. Don't expect them to ever use the Ask-the-Audience Lifeline though... What could be learned from that?

[Carsten W]

These forums tend to be very Phase biased so you might be forgiven for thinking that Hasselblad does not sell any cameras.. I could point you at a forum where it appears that Sinar completely dominates the market if you like

Nick, it would be very helpful for me if you could point me at this Sinar forum

[Nick-T]

Nick, it would be very helpful for me if you could point me at this Sinar forum

Here you go:

http://www.openphotographyforums.com/forum...isplay.php?f=16

Nick-T

[Nick-T]

I love that one too. As in, "Mirror slap on the H1? No way. What mirror slap?", and then, the next camera and firmware comes out, and quietly, there's a Custom Function introduced for "Mirror Delay".

George
Mirror slap was not in fact considered an issue. The vibration had been measured and compared to other cameras way back when, (it produces less slap/vibration than the Contax for example) so it was not thought to be an issue. Remember the guys building the cameras are not photographers first and foremost.

I had never really noticed the mirror slap but then I'm not hand holding as much as some. I first heard about the issue from Mark Tucker who wrote great  essays on the subject (he writes well), I took the complaints to the product manager for H system and asked if they could enable a delay feature which they did and which they should be commended for I think.
Nick-T

[Carsten W]

Here you go:

http://www.openphotographyforums.com/forum...isplay.php?f=16

Thanks for the link. It seems that Sinar dominates not because there are so many Sinar users, but because there is no one else  Anyway, I registered and will see what useful information I can find there.

[David Grover / Capture One]

There is no such a shortcut like for the capture destination, and it would save a few seconds, I agree.
But you'll have to list through directories from the root folder only once. The next time you export something the phocus opens the same folder unless the folder was deleted.

Also don't forget in any OSX app you have the 'recent places' sections in the pull down menu which will more than likely show you your capture destination.

[Steve Hendrix]

George
Mirror slap was not in fact considered an issue. The vibration had been measured and compared to other cameras way back when, (it produces less slap/vibration than the Contax for example) so it was not thought to be an issue. Remember the guys building the cameras are not photographers first and foremost.

I had never really noticed the mirror slap but then I'm not hand holding as much as some. I first heard about the issue from Mark Tucker who wrote great  essays on the subject (he writes well), I took the complaints to the product manager for H system and asked if they could enable a delay feature which they did and which they should be commended for I think.
Nick-T

I don't know how they measure mirror vibration at Hasselblad. All I know is that it feels more prominent than on a Contax in your hands. If you really try to feel what is happening - and where - the action from the Contax seems to be centered in the body, slightly towards the hand grip. And the action feels vertical and muffled by the camera body. On the H2, it feels like the action is coming into play from the front of the camera/lens and it has a sideways feel to it. As if someone pushed down on the left side of the lens on the front of your camera.

Perhaps the vibration measurement in Hasselblad's testing did show the H2 producing less vibration than the Contax, I believe you. But that brings into play how it is measured. In the hand, the Contax feels somewhere in the core of the body, vertical action, muffled. On the H2, it's more towards the front of the camera or lens and the action feels like a yank to the left.

The delay on the H2 does help, but no matter how the vibration is measured, the mirror action of the Contax - in the hand -  will have less effect on the sharpness of the image.


Steve Hendrix

[James R Russell]

I don't know how they measure mirror vibration at Hasselblad. All I know is that it feels more prominent than on a Contax in your hands. If you really try to feel what is happening - and where - the action from the Contax seems to be centered in the body, slightly towards the hand grip.

Every time somebody says the H2 has mirror slap someone else says, "I routinely shoot my H2 at 1/4 of a second and everything is sharp".

Maybe, maybe not but I've shot a billion frames with the contax, especially using continuous light and it's much smoother than any camera I use including the Canons and Nikons.

Now I'll be the first to admit I'm not always  that overly concerned with uber over sharp, see every pore from 6 blocks away photography and I'll admit that I've only shot an H series camera twice for projects, but the difference in the way it feels as far as mirror slap or vibration or whatever it's called feels like it's double that on the H series, or half that on the contax.

Now the downside is the contax has a small view through the prism (though quite large in a waist level finder) and the view in a H series is much larger (though in my experience the H series prism seems to bend the image which is not exactly in relation to the final image, which kind of breaks my brain.

I've pretty much placed the Contax as a specialty camera, rather than a 2000 frame a day lifestyle advertising camera.  It will do 2000 frames a day, but you'll work hard at it compared to a dslr, less hard than most medium format cameras because it does have a 90 degree grip.

What I do love about the contax is the ability to put on a lot of different glass.  

This image is with the old Boris Tilt shift lens, at 1/30th of a second and it's sharp where I want it to be, smooth and soft where I want that.
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This image also with the Hareblei 45mm Tilt Shift at 1/30th using modeling lights and an old Aptus 22.
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This second image is shot with the Contax 80mm Zeiss with flash and obviously it's pin point sharp, so the Contax does have a lot of versatility when it comes to glass.
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I even have an adapter to use pentax 6x7 lenses which also have their own look and less bite than the standard Ziess lenses.
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JR