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« on: July 09, 2009, 04:15:07 pm »

Does anyone have some 100% crops of images taken digitally with this lens they could share? Especially in the corners? I find my Contax 45mm a bit soft, particularly in the corners, but I can use Hasselblad lenses with an adapter.

I am aware that the Zeiss 40mm for the Sinar M is considered the best out there, but is the Hasselblad V version mentioned above as good?
Distagon T* 4/40 ZH


Alternatively, what is generally considered the best, sharpest MF wide out there in the Hasselblad or Contax lineup? How is the Contax 35mm?

thanks,
Ben
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2009, 06:22:32 pm »

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Alternatively, what is generally considered the best, sharpest MF wide out there in the Hasselblad or Contax lineup? How is the Contax 35mm?

I've got the 35mm Contax lens, which is apparently the MF version of the famous Contax 21mm Distagon 35mm-lens, and it has performed very well for me. In fact, I find myself taking the vast majority of my shots with the 35mm or the 120mm Macro lens, both on film (Adox/Efke 25) and on digital (Sinar eMotion 54 LV).

What do you need it for, and what will you be using it with?

The Hasselblad 40mm IF is apparently really sharp, right into the corners, but it has some distortion.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2009, 08:05:55 pm »

Thanks Carsten. I mostly want to use it for landscapes, sometimes stitched. Wow, I didn't know the 35mm Contax was considered as good as the 120 Macro. Is that what you are saying? I'm using the 120 Macro on a job today and it's amazing. I usually use my 80mm.

Can you post a couple of 100% crops of a shot with your 35mm?

Distortion doesn't bother me too much - it's easy to correct in PS - at least easier than CA, fringing or softness (which is unfixable).

Ben
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 08:06:40 pm »

As Carsten points out, the Contax 35mm is an excellent optic.  One of the stars of the Contax lineup.

But to your question, the Sinar 40 and the Hasselblad 40/4 IF are the same optical design.  This design does suffer from some severe distortion (~4%), and one thing to note is Zeiss took pains to flatten the distortion curve near the edge of the 6x6 image circle.  (Distortion is apparent when the curve is not flat).  This has the effect of keeping straight lines near the edge of the frame parallel to the edge, making the distortion less noticeable.

At least in theory.  

In practice, if you're shooting digital, the sensor will chop the frame long before the distortion curve flattens out, so you'll definitely be noticing the distortion on objects with straight edges, regardless of lens.

In terms of image quality, the two should be the same.

I do have some images shot with the 40mm, but they're offline at the moment as I'm upgrading my array.  PM me on the weekend if you are still interested, and I should be back online by then and can send you a raw file to take a look at.

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 08:08:40 pm »

The distortion curve of the 40 isn't that easy to correct, as it's not simple pincusion or barrel distortion.

That being said, if you are shooting nature, it's not such a big deal.

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Thanks Carsten. I mostly want to use it for landscapes, sometimes stitched. Wow, I didn't know the 35mm Contax was considered as good as the 120 Macro. Is that what you are saying? I'm using the 120 Macro on a job today and it's amazing. I usually use my 80mm.

Can you post a couple of 100% crops of a shot with your 35mm?

Distortion doesn't bother me too much - it's easy to correct in PS - at least easier than CA, fringing or softness (which is unfixable).

Ben
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2009, 09:59:35 pm »

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Does anyone have some 100% crops of images taken digitally with this lens they could share? Especially in the corners? I find my Contax 45mm a bit soft, particularly in the corners, but I can use Hasselblad lenses with an adapter.

I am aware that the Zeiss 40mm for the Sinar M is considered the best out there, but is the Hasselblad V version mentioned above as good?
Distagon T* 4/40 ZH


Alternatively, what is generally considered the best, sharpest MF wide out there in the Hasselblad or Contax lineup? How is the Contax 35mm?

thanks,
Ben
Hi Ben,

The Contax 35 lens is a Zeiss Distagon design, but it is not exactly the same in its implementation compared to the Zeiss 40s.  The Contax 35 consists of 11 elements in 8 groups, while the 40s consist of 12 elements in 9 groups.  And, the barrels of each lens have slightly different characteristics in terms of mitigating flare and veiling glare.  The distortion of the 40s seem no worse than the 35 in practice, since at infinity it is less apparent and at close range it is highly corrected by the floating lens elements.

I  had all three lenses (Sinaron 40mm, Hasselblad 40IF CFE, and Contax 35), and compared them simultaneously with the same back (Sinar e75LV).  I also thought the Contax 35 was a decent lens until I acquired the Zeiss 40s.  I found both 40's to be much sharper, from the center all the way into the corners, when compared to the 35, which basically agrees with the MTF charts.  Once I acquired the Sinaron 40mm lens, there was just no going back to the Contax 35, so I ended up selling the Contax.  Unfortunately, I since dumped those test shots when freeing up hard disk space, so I am unable to post.

In addition, I use the 40IF CFE with a Hasselblad Flexbody, which gives me some shift and tilt capability.  I noticed that the 40IF lens stays sharp even for shifts of around 10 or 12mm.  This means that the 40IF CFE is a better lens choice if you plan to use larger sensor sizes.  Some people have reported softer corners with the Contax 35mm lens when using the P65+, due to its larger sensor format, thereby using more of the outer edges of the lens image circle.

As for the Sinaron 40 versus the Hasselblad 40IF, I am unable to tell the difference between these lenses in actual print.  They are both stunningly sharp lenses and I have not found anything better (including the Rodenstock HR).  I continue to use both (the 40IF with the Flexbody, and the Sinaron with the M), since they have their particular advantages on each system.  However, there is no way the 40IF can compete with the Sinaron 40 on the M camera, as the autofocus of the Sinaron is always spot on, whereas you have to manually nail the focus with the 40IF, which is surprisingly difficult to do consistently unless you are shooting tethered with live view.

I hope this helps.

David

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2009, 11:17:20 pm »

Thanks Brad and David, that's just the sort of information I was looking for. I also shoot with a Sinar eMotion 75LV, so it's great to hear from someone who not only uses the same back but who has also owned all three lenses! I envy you!  

Ben
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 12:19:10 am »

Hi Ben,

you can download a sample picture as .sti-file (136 MB), shot with Sinar m an Sinaron Digital AF 4/40 ZH in 4shot with my Sinarback 54H:

www.arnoldi-design.com/SinarM40mmF8-0872.sti.zip

You need Capture Shop 5.x to open the file. The sharpness is good, even in the edges (I put the focus the row of black books on the right with the book "Caspar David Friedrich" – that means the area behind that focus plane, with some of the bottles, is not really sharp).
But the lens shows a little bit mustache distortion. So for architecture I use the Sinar p3 with Sinaron Digital CAB 4/35 HR (Rodenstock).

The Hasselblad 4/40 CFE IF T* is the same lens as the Sinaron Digital AF 4/40 ZH, without AF.

Christopher
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 12:51:30 am »

Thanks Christopher, downloading it now. I'll have to reinstall CaptureShop (I took it off my system since I've been using eXposure).

Much appreciated,
Ben
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 10:42:58 am »

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Thanks Christopher, downloading it now. I'll have to reinstall CaptureShop (I took it off my system since I've been using eXposure).

I don't have anything offhand which has the plane of focus deep into the corners, but Victor posted a shot with the P65+ and Contax 35 here:

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.p...99201#post99201
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2009, 03:49:58 pm »

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