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« on: July 06, 2009, 06:09:49 am »

Just got a mail that sinar germany will close by 1st of Juli and all dealings will be done by the Swiss headquaters.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 06:56:37 am »

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Just got a mail that sinar germany will close by 1st of Juli and all dealings will be done by the Swiss headquaters.


If true that doesn't sound good at all.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 07:42:16 am »

They are setting up a new webshop in Switzerland.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2009, 08:58:30 am »

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They are setting up a new webshop in Switzerland.

Oh, great, another webshop.
I wonder who needs a webshop for MF-camera gear.
They should rather invest the money to keep up a good service net in Germany.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 09:11:46 am »

so that's why emotion 75 salesprice was cut down to 7.500€

another one down?
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 09:29:42 am »

for a sellout of stocked products and the sale of a few specialized cameras you need nothing else than a webshop...
« Last Edit: July 06, 2009, 09:30:31 am by tho_mas »
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 01:29:10 pm »

Copied from my post to getdpi.com:

Actually, having heard various rumours about Sinar, Jenoptik, Franke&Heidecke and so on, including some insider information about possible outcomes, what has happened is for me very positive, almost a best possible outcome. Sinar Germany, which is what is being closed down, is a marketing branch of Sinar in one of their largest markets. During good times these sorts of sub-companies make sense, to handle a lot of volume. In a time like this with the economy in a shambles, they are just overhead.

The fact that they have looked at their business, and decided that they need to trim overhead and run the company as lean as possible is just restructuring (yes, that is what restructuring is, I don't understand the comments about that, and of course, Sinar AG in Feuerthalen is still there), is very positive, because it means that they are still looking forwards, still thinking about the core business, and still have enough optimism left to trim something like this, which apart from Sinar's German customers won't affect anyone at all.

No product has been cancelled, no service has been limited (enough staff for support and warranty handling has been left standing), and there is still some room for optimistic hopes that the economy will have time to recover before Sinar has to take any further actions.

Apart from business as usual, trimming overhead is just about the most healthy sign that Sinar could send out. They still operate as a functional business.

On a different note, Hasselblad's price-cutting move also makes sense in the economy of today, and with Leica being an added competitor in the near future (if all goes according to plan).

However, I really can't understand Phase One's move. In a time like this, when sales in general must be dropping (although the P65+ seems to sell well), it is surely not a time to splurge, and the partial Leaf acquisition has me stumped. It smells like desperation to me, but I could of course be wrong. It just feels like Phase feels more and more marginalized with their tech, and wanted to expand in some kind of way. I think that the AFi would have made a stronger statement than just getting a few good engineers and a little intellectual property. Let's face it: Phase doesn't really stand in the shadow of anyone when it comes to digital backs; rather, it is the camera-side which is behind Hasselblad et al. The one exception might be the skin tone issue, where Leaf owners have been raving about the great skin colour for years.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2009, 02:53:35 pm »

I had so much going wrong with my Leaf afi and having my Dealer in another city didn't help either, although they were extremely helpful and really tried their best. If I am splashing out tens of thousands for a speciality item I expect to have service at hand if I need it. I don't need a webshop, I use Amazon for that.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2009, 04:39:29 pm »

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Oh, great, another webshop.
I wonder who needs a webshop for MF-camera gear.
They should rather invest the money to keep up a good service net in Germany.

After speaking to Sinar I have a better feeling now that the good service I have received in the past will continue in the future, even if there is no German Sinar Company.

However I still think they do not need a webshop
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2009, 05:10:45 pm »

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After speaking to Sinar I have a better feeling now that the good service I have received in the past will continue in the future, even if there is no German Sinar Company.

However I still think they do not need a webshop
the web shop was very useful for buyers outside Germany. It was the only source of real Sinar prices. The dealers tend to play games and negotiate everything. Sinar have always been very open with their prices and sometimes you want to see a clear picture.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2009, 12:25:49 am »

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the web shop was very useful for buyers outside Germany. It was the only source of real Sinar prices. The dealers tend to play games and negotiate everything. Sinar have always been very open with their prices and sometimes you want to see a clear picture.
Yevgeny

what is their web shop web address?
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 05:23:00 am »

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what is their web shop web address?
It used to be at
https://shop.strato.de/epages/Store10.sf/?O.../Shops/15493234
as an  integral part of the German dealership (www.Sinar.de).
The web shop is currently closed and it was said that the web shop will be reopened at www.sinar.ch. I looked and found only a new
manual, added in June 2009:Tech Data of Sinaron Digital CEF lenses used with Sinar arTec Cameras.
No web shop yet and no announcements.
Yevgeny
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 05:58:02 am »

GAME OVER ???
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 06:57:48 am »

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what is their web shop web address?

try the web shop of the swiss sinar dealer.
(but there are no prices for ArTec or Sinar M)
and of course, text in german and prices in swiss francs:

http://www.tekno.ch/shop/


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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 06:44:42 pm »

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GAME OVER ???

not yet!
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2009, 06:54:38 pm »

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not yet!



my small mf credo:

i dont believe anymore in ..

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... the end of "dead by rumor" companies as long they are working and alive
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... any announcement of cooperations between companies as long they dont act together in practice
3.
... any new product announcents as long i dont have the products seen  ( and tested their functionality !!!!! ).
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2009, 02:57:03 am »

on sinar.de, the last price for an emotion 75 with the new display + adapter was € 7500.-.
on tekno.ch, it is CHF 15450.- + CHF ca 1000.- = € 10880.-
 
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2009, 02:58:24 am »

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my small mf credo:

i dont believe anymore in ..

1.
... the end of "dead by rumor" companies as long they are working and alive
2.
... any announcement of cooperations between companies as long they dont act together in practice
3.
... any new product announcents as long i dont have the products seen  ( and tested their functionality !!!!! ).

I totally agree,
I also rather try to base my decision on what is available and does work and so much not on what we might expect in the future (eventually) regarding products and business development.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2009, 02:59:30 am »

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on sinar.de, the last price for an emotion 75 with the new display + adapter was € 7500.-.
on tekno.ch, it is CHF 15450.- + CHF ca 1000.- = € 10880.-
 

as far as I know the 75LV price was a temporary promotion which ended June 30.
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2009, 03:56:17 am »

Seems as if the prices in June has been specially low to sell the rests of SINAR Germany. But even at about 11000€ the back is the best in relation quality/price. Last week I saw a 160x220cm Print of the Sinar 75LV. It was really fantastic. More resolution is nonsense, in my opinion. So I think Sinar goes the right way. The liquidation of SINAR Germany is only a change in customer service. I even hope the service will improve...

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