Started by jljonathan, March 14, 2009, 01:41:21 pm
Quote from: Chris_BrownFirst thing I've done is to make my own DNG camera profiles using the Adobe DNG Profile Editor. It's the best path toward better, more accurate color from your camera when using ACR.
Quote from: jljonathanI am going to try using ACR for capture sharpening with a 1dsMkIII after regularly using PS. Does anyone have a any recommendations for initial settings to start with for this camera? And, possibly for several shooting situations ie. landscape, fine detail, portrait.Thanks for any suggestionsJonathan
Quote from: Andy MAre you able to provide examples Chris?
Quote from: pomJust tried this with a 'real' image, a paltry 55 megapixel architectural stitch. Sorry guys but the mixture of ACR capture and output creams PK IMO, far less mush in the fine details on problem subjects, I also found the output sharpening (normal) more to my taste than PK's. Faster to apply as well. Of course it's harder to use, no masks to work with, resizing for print, etc.What I did was take my 2.2Gb file, flatten it, load it into ACR and apply Capture, open to PS for resizing (easier than trying with the clunky ACR method of resizing), save, reopen in ACR and apply Output based on the print size, open and print! Of course if you want masks for the capture all you do is open an unsharpened version then layer the sharpened on top. Bit of a pain but I'm so happy with the results I don't particularly care. What would be very very nice would be a proper size window in ACR where I can specify the size in inches and the relevant DPI. That would cut a whole stage out of the workflow but I know it's high on the wishlist for many with ACR...
Quote from: MarkDSFor as far as the sharpening controls in ACR/LR can take you, you can get the same results sharpening in ACR or sharpening with PK in Photoshop. Perhaps the adjustment responds faster in ACR because it's working on a raw, un-rendered image, or for any image - applying meta-data (parametric editing), with the processing time being shifted to the Export function.
Quote from: jljonathanI did look at Evening's CS4 video and it does give a very complete and understandable picture of the whole capture sharpening process. Can you please go into more detail on the explanation you gave as to switching back and forth from ACR to PS to achieve your sharpening workflow, and inadditon, I don't think I understand the point: "Of course if you want masks for the capture all you do is open an unsharpened version then layer the sharpened on top." I thought you could use the Masking slider in ACR for capture sharpening?Thanks to all for the helpful ideas.Jonathan
Quote from: pomOK, if you get halo's with PK then you have a mask that you can paint to reduce the effect. You can deal with halo's within the capture sharpening in ACR but if it a few specific halo's but the rest is OK then you have to open one version with zero sharpening then open a 2nd version with the sharpening and layer it on top of the first one. Then you can mask the sharpened one and adjust opacity or paint out areas using the mask. If you open the sharpened layer as a smart object then you have even more control of course. A neat trick is using the snapshots tab in ACR to save your sharpening so that you can open with or without easily.Once I've opened the file with capture sharpening I can then work on the file as usual in PS with all my mutiple layers, etc. Once I come to the stage of resizing and sharpening for print I will flatten the image, resize it and then save it as a new TIFF. I then open up that TIFF in ACR and apply output sharpening which will be applied relative to the final print size that I set the image to earlier. I can open the file again as a smart object so that I can choose between the output settings or even open a new layer with no output sharpening so as to again be able to adjust the opacity.At least that's how I see it. The capture and Output in ACR don't seem to have been designed to do the above, they seem to be made for a ACR one stop processing solution. Doesn't help me much when I have files that are going to have multiple layers applied!
Quote from: MarkDSThere is no output sharpening algorithm in ACR that I've seen - as much as I've seen so far, only the one in the Detail tab which is intended as a capture sharpener.
Quote from: ScheweActually Mark if you look in the Workflow OPtions you'll see that Output Sharpening has indeed been added in Camera Raw 5.2 and above...The Adobe/Pixel Genius deal was always intended to have capture and output sharpening in the Camera Raw pipeline (but not in Photoshop-yet) and with 5.2+ it's there. Of course, Camera Raw resize/resample usability sucks at this point (meaning it's tough to know what size your print will be) so I would only use output sharpening from Camera Raw ONLY if no further resize/resampling will be done on an image. That should improve in the future...
Quote from: jljonathanYou also have to wonder if opening in PS-resizing-correcting etc and then reopening a flattened tif in CR to sharpen might mess things up somehow. If so, and you're really sold on this technique, maybe it would be better to save it originally out of CR as a smart object that can just be reopened later in PS for the output sharpening. Just a thought.Jonathan
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