Pages: 1 ... 62 63 [64] 65 66 ... 214   Go Down

Author Topic: Recent Professional Works  (Read 1784348 times)

tesfoto

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 145
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1260 on: August 07, 2009, 04:15:16 pm »

Quote from: AndreNapier
Pat,
Enjoy the goosebumps they are the currency that most magazines pay with.
Andre


So very true.


Logged

tesfoto

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 145
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1261 on: August 07, 2009, 04:34:53 pm »

Quote from: PLLove
This is my first publication, and truly hope to have many many more.


I am sure you will, I wish you the best of luch.

Logged

Phil Indeblanc

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2017
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1262 on: August 07, 2009, 08:24:32 pm »

Quote from: tesfoto
So very true.



How do you mean that it is the currency most mags pay with?

How has your experiences been on how magazines pay?...and maybe a couple magazines for example to get a jist of knowing the local trade vs the national/international nice glossy stuff?
Logged
If you buy a camera, you're a photographer...

telyt

  • Guest
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1263 on: August 07, 2009, 09:16:37 pm »

Quote from: Phil Indeblanc
How do you mean that it is the currency most mags pay with?

The $$$ is nil.  They "pay" you with free publicity.  Woo Hoo!  Take it to the bank & pay your mortgage with it (NOT).
Logged

TMARK

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1841
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1264 on: August 07, 2009, 09:17:42 pm »

Quote from: Phil Indeblanc
How do you mean that it is the currency most mags pay with?

How has your experiences been on how magazines pay?...and maybe a couple magazines for example to get a jist of knowing the local trade vs the national/international nice glossy stuff?

The bigger the mag, the less they pay for editorial.  Interview pays $0, for example, but goes the extra mile with production.  The local and regional mags, like Texas, Los Angeles, etc, pay, rates vary depending on usage.  Vibe used to pay $1500 for a cover, but since they rarely paid the invoices, it turns into free.

There is of course usage, and bullshit digital fees (which they may or may not pay), and retouching, which they will always pay, but now a days mags send the shoot to a retoucher rather than the shooter.  I used to be able to squeeze $6k out of three page spreads, mainly in retouching and usage.

Never front production fees for a magazine.  They pay late, if at all, and you en up holding the bag with a pissed off vendor.

The only reason to shoot editorial is to get commercial jobs.  That's it.

What Andre said is right, send a comp card with a link to your site and follow up a few days later with a call.  

One word of advice on billing:  I know the web is full of photo business experts extolling the virtues of a hard line, nickel and dime approach to billing of digital fees.  That's bullshit.  Its destructive, poisonous to relationships, which is how you get work.  Unless you are Platon or Annie L., a PE is going to look at your line item for RAW processing and call bullshiot on it, show it to everyone in the office, get frustrated, and cross it out with a red pen, and maybe never hire you again.  What works better is to take them to lunch and have a drink, for a productive, genuine relationship rather than an adversarial game.  

After a few years the game gets old, and harder to play. As print ad budgets plummet and competition for even low end commercial work gets stiffer and stiffer, you have to ask yourself if its worth it.  I decided it was a losing battle, as the magazines I shot for folded and catalogue work started degrading from locations and elaborate sets to seamless and static shots.  I work in motion now, for the same clients I used to shoot stills.  And you know what?  I found all that money that was slashed from print budgets:  its in web and motion.
Logged

TMARK

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1841
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1265 on: August 07, 2009, 09:21:34 pm »

Quote from: telyt
The $$$ is nil.  They "pay" you with free publicity.  Woo Hoo!  Take it to the bank & pay your mortgage with it (NOT).

Think of it this way:  A full page ad in Interview is I believe $35k.  If you have a full page in Interview, you get that $35k worth of exposure, to an audience that includes high end art buyers, taste makers, and other decision makers.

Besides repeat business, I always got commercial work after an editorial.
Logged

AndreNapier

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 422
    • Andre Napier Photography
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1266 on: August 07, 2009, 09:26:33 pm »

"So very true"


It is a fact and not a speculation.
Small magazines do not pay, large magazines have very limited editorial budget that is often not enough for production cost.
With few exception it is a shrinking market. Most photogs do editorial for recognition and client access.
Andre



Logged

tesfoto

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 145
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1267 on: August 08, 2009, 02:03:27 am »

Quote from: TMARK
The bigger the mag, the less they pay for editorial.

I work for top of the line international magazines coming out of London (sorry Phil no names, this is as close as I can get).

For a 3-4 day editorial shoot - if I use an assistant and my normal retousher, I will end paying to do the job.

Luckily the names are so big that a lot of photographers (or students) will work for free as assistans, just to tell they have been working for these magazines.


Quote from: TMARK
The only reason to shoot editorial is to get commercial jobs.  That's it.


Yes, but it can be a lot of fun too.

I think it is very good for my commercial business to be able to tell my other clients, oh btw I just shot xxx for yyy.


Cheers

tes
« Last Edit: August 08, 2009, 02:05:07 am by tesfoto »
Logged

Phil Indeblanc

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2017
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1268 on: August 08, 2009, 02:12:29 am »

Quote from: tesfoto
I work for top of the line international magazines coming out of London (sorry Phil no names, this is as close as I can get).


Funny, I have been doing the commecial work for many mags now (drop a name and I can answer yes/no )   .... and just wanted some recognition and a more creative expression by doing editorial work.

Who do you contact? the pub editor or the writers or the photo editors..?
Logged
If you buy a camera, you're a photographer...

tesfoto

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 145
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1269 on: August 08, 2009, 02:46:01 am »

Quote from: Phil Indeblanc
Funny, I have been doing the commecial work for many mags now (drop a name and I can answer yes/no )   .... and just wanted some recognition and a more creative expression by doing editorial work.

Who do you contact? the pub editor or the writers or the photo editors..?



I guess I was lucky that one of the leading mag in the field contacted me, then the others and the rest is history.

It is generally the designers who brief me, not the editors or photo editors.

Good luck Phil, my feeling is that they like to work with commercial photographers for editorials; they just don’t pay them very well.



Logged

Kumar

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 556
    • http://www.bskumarphotography.com
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1270 on: August 08, 2009, 11:29:24 am »

Logged

Phil Indeblanc

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2017
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1271 on: August 08, 2009, 06:47:47 pm »

Quote from: Kumar
http://markstoutphotography.wordpress.com/...-exposure-trap/

Kumar


Very good link Kumar
Logged
If you buy a camera, you're a photographer...

PLLove

  • Guest
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1272 on: August 08, 2009, 07:29:20 pm »

Quote from: Kumar
http://markstoutphotography.wordpress.com/...-exposure-trap/

Kumar

Thanks for posting this Kumar!  Very true.  Just this month, I have been bombarded with local people wanting my services in return of "exposure".

-PL
Logged

TMARK

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1841
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1273 on: August 08, 2009, 08:18:19 pm »

Quote from: PLLove
Thanks for posting this Kumar!  Very true.  Just this month, I have been bombarded with local people wanting my services in return of "exposure".

-PL

Working for free is fine as long as its editorial.  Shooting commercial work for free, or any work that isn't your expression or your style etc., is ridiculous, because exposure is only valuable if it gets you the kind of work you want..  A spread in French, or Italian Vogue, or Interview, is the kind of exposure you want, and need.  

In the states I contact the PE and all the PE assistants, the beauty editor, and the fashion editor and their assistants. If you get one of these people to keep your comp card, they may push for you at some point, if not now maybe in the future.

Tesfoto is right on the money.

Logged

MichaelEzra

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1146
    • https://www.michaelezra.com
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1274 on: August 09, 2009, 06:29:13 pm »

Shot in April 2009, Moscow.
Just got to process this one
Logged

Phil Indeblanc

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2017
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1275 on: August 09, 2009, 07:22:00 pm »

Quote from: MichaelEzra
Shot in April 2009, Moscow.
Just got to process this one


I LOVE the overlapping form/contrast, the pose, the tone, the edgyness, the sexiness... her knee squaring up with her shoulder, her arm, head....This is VERY NICE!!
I can also see this cropped off-center with space to the canvas right and top to give it a bit space play.

There really is a lot going on in this image. Very well done
Logged
If you buy a camera, you're a photographer...

MichaelEzra

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1146
    • https://www.michaelezra.com
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1276 on: August 09, 2009, 11:00:44 pm »

Quote from: Phil Indeblanc
I LOVE the overlapping form/contrast, the pose, the tone, the edgyness, the sexiness... her knee squaring up with her shoulder, her arm, head....This is VERY NICE!!
I can also see this cropped off-center with space to the canvas right and top to give it a bit space play.

There really is a lot going on in this image. Very well done

Hi Phil, I know what you mean about the cropping:) This web image may be a bit tight. The master file has all the space around the model, and there are so many ways to rotate it and to cut it...
Thanks for the kind words,

Michael
« Last Edit: August 10, 2009, 07:20:50 am by MichaelEzra »
Logged

Frank Doorhof

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1522
    • http://
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1277 on: August 10, 2009, 07:02:30 am »

A few from this weekend.
Sorry for the six but I thought it was worth it
Logged

Imaginara

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 112
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1278 on: August 10, 2009, 08:08:31 am »

Quote from: Kumar
http://markstoutphotography.wordpress.com/...-exposure-trap/

Kumar

Hi Kumar! =)

Very true article there. The added fun thing ive noticed (after having done a LOT of pro-bono work  is that once you stop being availible for free work (dont have to say that you don't do it anymore, just that due to business engagement you need to charge this time) you might actually get more and better work. A little like "first fix is free" ;D

Serious professional clients expect to pay for what they want, those who expect to get it for free are neither serious or professional and you most likely do not want them as clients. And even if they promise exposure, you can be damn sure that exposure is for whatever you are photographing, not you as a photographer.

And to keep this on topic here is one from my latest work. Shot on Fuji FP100C45 on a Horseman 4x5 =)
« Last Edit: August 10, 2009, 08:10:25 am by Imaginara »
Logged

Frank Doorhof

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1522
    • http://
Recent Professional Works
« Reply #1279 on: August 10, 2009, 08:18:41 am »


Very nice shot Imaginara.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 62 63 [64] 65 66 ... 214   Go Up