SINAR HY6 e-54 vs LEAF AFI5 ???

[FrançoisTT]

SINAR HY6 e-54 vs LEAF AFI5

- Same Dalsa 22MP chip,
- Same Schneider & Zeiss compatibility,
- Same Body and viewfinder,
- On one hand, Leaf have a big screen ; on the other one, Sinar a usefull available Revolving Adapt.
- New Sinar software seems now to be as good as LC and both generate Raw with beautifull skin tones and color fidelity.

I will buy one of them... Between this 2 brother backs, which one do you recommend !!!

Thanks a lot for yours advices.
François.

[Graham Mitchell]

I can point out some other points about the Sinar system because that is the one I am familiar with. Perhaps someone can do the same for Leaf.

Sinar has the advantages of built-in solid state memory, which is useful. The battery is internal so I believe it is more compact. Capture rate is around 1fps. The software also stores files in DNG format, which gives you more workflow options. The e54LV includes Live View which can be really useful especially for still subjects like product or architecture, and indispensible if you are using a view camera!

The e54LV also has improved high ISO performance.
See http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....=25121&hl=e54lv

Hope that helps.

[BJNY]

On paper.....

Leaf AFi5 claims 70 frames per minute
Sinar e54lv claims 50 frames per minute

Leaf AFi5 tethered via Firewire800
Sinar e54lv tethered via Firewire400

Leaf AFi5 has 3.5" diagonal touchscreen
Sinar e54lv has 2.2" diagonal OLED

Both offer Live Video

It's difficult enough figuring out what gear to purchase for myself,
let alone make recommendations without knowing FrancoisTT's photography.

I'd hold off stating eXposure is as good as Leaf Capture
until a session of 1200 captures is thrown at it
as SMM is figuring out at http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=198543

[David WM]

On paper.....
Leaf AFi5 tethered via Firewire800
Sinar e54lv tethered via Firewire400

I am using an eMotion 22 which is also FW400. One of the reasons I have not upgraded to the 45LV was because I thought it needed to be FW800 and I did not want to upgrade without getting that feature. However, with the new Sinar eXposure 6.01 I am finding the communication speed to be a lot faster. My impression is that with the 22mp backs with tethered shooting there is not much difference between FW400 and FW800 and it is the speed of the system that needs to be considered.
David

[Morgan_Moore]

Surely it has to be Sinar

rotatitng back and the ability to change camera systems which brings on the ability to use a wide angle lens should you require one

workflow needs a careful look at if HTML contacts sheets are inportant to you

I seem to have cracked it..

Exposure -> Capture One -> Photoshop

Love the way Phase makes Sinar work well

S

[Graham Mitchell]

the ability to change camera systems
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I knew I missed something, lol. Was tired last night. Yes, this is the killer feature of the Sinar backs. The Leaf comes in a fixed mount but the Sinar backs have interchangeable adapters.

[yaya]

SINAR HY6 e-54 vs LEAF AFI5

- Same Dalsa 22MP chip,
- Same Schneider & Zeiss compatibility,
- Same Body and viewfinder,
- On one hand, Leaf have a big screen ; on the other one, Sinar a usefull available Revolving Adapt.
- New Sinar software seems now to be as good as LC and both generate Raw with beautifull skin tones and color fidelity.

I will buy one of them... Between this 2 brother backs, which one do you recommend !!!

Thanks a lot for yours advices.
François.
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Best is if you could test both side-by-side and obviously much of it depends on what functions/ features are more important to you. When testing the AFi I would check the following, or whatever is applicable to your type of work:

* Live view for instance on the AFi is very good for several reasons: fan cooling, FireWire 800 and dual monitor support in LeafCapture.

* Capture rate (tethered and untethered) is probably the fastest you can get today; 0.8 sec/ frame with no buffering nor slowdowns

* Battery type: you can use either a single 2,350 mAh cell in the grip (will power both imaging module and body) or a second battery (of up to 6,000 mAh) attached to the imaging module.

* Bluetooth option: use a PocketPC as a viewing/ editing device.

* Touch screen with an on-board Windows operating system, allowing for advanced controls and is "future proof" in terms of adding functionaries.

* User button: for handheld work it allows for an easy access to main functions such as deleting, flagging, scrolling, histogram and is ergonomically positioned so that it can be operated with your thumb

* Easy (and relatively inexpensive) adaptation to 4X5 cameras as well as RZ via Leaf-supplied adapter plates.

* Firmware updates (camera & imaging module) all done via Firewire port and LeafCapture

I hope this helps

Yair

[BJNY]

Please elaborate.
I'd like to know.
Thanks in advance.
Billy

workflow needs a careful look at if HTML contacts sheets are inportant to you

I seem to have cracked it..

Exposure -> Capture One -> Photoshop

Love the way Phase makes Sinar work well

[eronald]

I have this nagging suspicion that the next killer feature is going to be a square frame, obsoleting the rotating back. If any "company" is able to wheedle a square sensor out of Kodak, it should be Leaf , but of course it's not obvious to an external observer that Sinar would get to use a new Kodak sensor

Edmund

[dustblue]

use DNG format

Please elaborate.
I'd like to know.
Thanks in advance.
Billy
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[Morgan_Moore]

Please elaborate.
I'd like to know.
Thanks in advance.
Billy
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Basically my gripe with Exposure is that you cant export a HTML contact or low res jpgs fast

making it really hard to show your client what you shot IF thats what you need

I am trialling Capture One but it means creating a new grey balance curve etc in capture one - so the images can differ from what was shot in Exposure (and maybe the client was watching you shoot)

Lightroom worked a bit better than C1 but its folder management fried my head

I dont know about the leaf software at all maybe better - maybe worse

Just think WORKFLOW before you buy whatever you buy

S

[Graham Mitchell]

Basically my gripe with Exposure is that you cant export a HTML contact or low res jpgs fast
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I agree that it would be nice to export low res JPEGs as well. You can still export high res JPEGs, and Photoshop handles the rest nicely, including nice HTML gallery. This shouldn't be an issue.

[Morgan_Moore]

I agree that it would be nice to export low res JPEGs as well. You can still export high res JPEGs, and Photoshop handles the rest nicely, including nice HTML gallery. This shouldn't be an issue.
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unless you have to get out 500 shots before you can go home...

S

[thsinar]

Like Yair, I can only stress out the importance of testing under one's own shooting conditions, before making any decision.

Concerning the Sinar Hy6 - eMotion 54LV system, here some of the features in detail:

1. Hy6 Camera

- Remote access and control of the camera settings from the computer via Captureshop or eXposure softwares.

- firmware updates done via camera USB port

- over 45 types of lenses (Schneider & Zeiss)

2. eMotion 54 LV back

- Live Video included with all eMotion backs

- On-board data storage with internal hard state memory 3 GB

- CF card storage

- uncompressed and compressed modes, giving a total storage space of 150 uncompressed images (300 compressed), using 8 GB CF card and internal memory

- On-board power supply for up to 2000 images or 3 hours continuous activity

- Revolving adapter for safe operation with the back (no need to take away to rotate from landscape to portrait orientation)

- OLED Display for viewing under any angle

- Untethered shooting speed: although conservatively specified by Sinar at 1.2 sec/ frame, the speed is closer to 0.9 sec / frame. No buffer slow-down due to the internal hard state memory in the back.

- firmware updates done via FW port

- interchangeable adapters for all common MF and view cameras in the market

- access to the RAW files

- eXposure produces DNG files compatible with all DNG application (LR, ACR, APerture, C1, ...)

If you need any more information, please do contact me.

Best regards,
Thierry

[FrançoisTT]

Thanks ALL,

I will tomorrow handle the Sinar Hy6 and take a look to Exposure.


Thierry,
If I know the upgrading policy of Hasselblad & Leaf, what is yours (Sinar/Hy6) ?
I am thinking about the possibility to see (at the Kina) a better larger screen for the Hy6 e_54...and perhaps a new 48x48 chip (with beautifull big 9 micron pixel size). What's about those who buy a Sinar Hy6 four months before the kina (if they want to upgrade their back) ?

[thsinar]

Dear François,

I don't know where you are located. However Sinar has an upgrade path and trade-in possibility: these upgrade and trade-in possibilities have limited validity in time and are changing frequently. These upgrades and trade-ins can (and do) vary also from one country to another.

I would suggest you to contact your local distributor to have an idea.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

Thanks ALL,

I will tomorrow handle the Sinar Hy6 and take a look to Exposure.
Thierry,
If I know the upgrading policy of Hasselblad & Leaf, what is yours (Sinar/Hy6) ?
I am thinking about the possibility to see (at the Kina) a better larger screen for the Hy6 e_54...and perhaps a new 48x48 chip (with beautifull big 9 micron pixel size). What's about those who buy a Sinar Hy6 four months before the kina (if they want to upgrade their back) ?
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[bryanyc]

If I might interpose a some related questions regarding the backs and powering them:

On camera, the leaf back can be driven by the single battery in the camera grip which would make the camera a bit lighter but not shoot as long as the hy6.

Off camera (on a technical camera) the leaf back needs to have a battery attached to it below the back while the sinar back has the battery built in already?

Does the live view work on the back itself or only when tethered?  Any other differences between the two backs on a technical camera?  

Will anyone make an itouch or iphone preview module?  that would be the nuts!

[thsinar]

Off camera (on a technical camera) ... the sinar back has the battery built in already?
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Yes, interchangeable battery inside.

Does the live view work on the back itself or only when tethered?  Any other differences between the two backs on a technical camera?
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The live video is not on the display, but when tethered.

Best regards,
Thierry

[Gigi]

Saw a Leaf on the Hy6 the other day and was very impressed with its weight and size. Seems to be smaller and less heavy than the Sinar back. Part of this was the lack of the second battery on it, which would change things.

Also had a large screen to work with. Pretty attractive package.

With the Sinar are three big factors:

- rotating back
- multi-platform usability (invaluable if you need it, less so if you don't. Still, insurance?)
- ability to store images on internal memory

Pretty classic set of trade-offs: apples vs. oranges.

Add to this workflow differences, and its not easy. That's what makes horse races, I guess.

[eronald]

Does anyone at all still look at image quality ? I mean, I don't think that Leaf or Sinar are bad, but I do wonder whether there aren't any differences - if they are totally identical in image quality, it's time they folded one of their R&D departments

Edmund

Saw a Leaf on the Hy6 the other day and was very impressed with its weight and size. Seems to be smaller and less heavy than the Sinar back. Part of this was the lack of the second battery on it, which would change things.

Also had a large screen to work with. Pretty attractive package.

With the Sinar are three big factors:

- rotating back
- multi-platform usability (invaluable if you need it, less so if you don't. Still, insurance?)
- ability to store images on internal memory

Pretty classic set of trade-offs: apples vs. oranges.

Add to this workflow differences, and its not easy. That's what makes horse races, I guess.
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