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« Reply #180 on: March 18, 2008, 04:22:40 pm »

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I wish I could say otherwise, but I'm not really surprised by any of this. I think the general consensus is that neither Rockwell's nor Reichman's ideas are probably that far from that of the other person, yet I doubt either will ever admit to that. Too much pride in being right on both sides. And, what's more, neither handled things all that well.

What I would like to see is the two of the have some sort of dialogue. I think a joint article/discussion from the two of them could be very, very interesting. But, again, I tend to doubt the chances of something like that.

And, Michael, you must admit that the number of gear related articles seems to be legion here recently. Not necessarily a bad thing, just seems different that I remember the site being in the past. I'd echo what was said below about getting back to the photographic basis.

My two cents.
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« Reply #181 on: March 18, 2008, 05:07:49 pm »

I've been lurking here on LL for a couple of years, but this recent controversy over the KR article has be quite puzzled.  I am not sure why some people took the opinion of a single person on one website *almost* as a personal insult.

 A few years back I met a man, basically a complete novice, trying to learn more about photography, but when I cam across him he had almost given up.  He simply did not have the money for the "really good camera" he was told he need to make good results.   This attitude that he ran into in both person and on some internet web sites really did a number on him.    So in my opinion, the way I read the KR article, I though it was aimed at people like this guy - people who have to put money for buying groceries, keeping the car on the road,paying for the kid's dental work, etc, before buying a new D200 or D300 every couple of years.  Keep up hope, develop your skills, don't give up if you cannot afford the best.  

    The other issue that bothers me is what is the best?  After recently buying a new Nikon D40 - well just even this afternoon, I was asked "why not the new D300?" or "Why not a D3?"

   Well the answer is simple - the money that would of gone into a D300 or even a D3 instead went into a new 4x5", a couple of G-clarons,  a second spot meter and a Devere 504 enlarger.  

   However, I have never, ever at any time used the fact I shoot LF to "look down my nose" at the other guy because his camera was "only"  35mm Nikon or Mamiya or or even a digital SLR.  Hey, you use what works for you, right?  even if I had the cash in my pocket for a D3 right at this moment, personally I would rather buy a new 11x14 and get into some heavy duty contact prints.  

   One last comment - a number of pros I know do NOT use the latest digital SLR.  One specific example I am talking about are newspaper photographers, the kind  who hit the asphalt everyday covering the daily local news.    The resolution on most print or web editions of newspapers don't require the D3 or even the D300, and so as a result, a lot of newspapers are either unwilling or maybe cannot even afford to replace all their gear every two or three years.  The  attitude many newspapers is you use it until it wears out.   Right or wrong, that's how the real world works out for a lot of people.
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« Reply #182 on: March 18, 2008, 06:24:05 pm »

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My cousin knows Dr. Phil.  I'll get it set up.
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I hope they hug at the end of the show.  That always makes me feel better.
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« Reply #183 on: March 19, 2008, 04:55:55 am »

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« Reply #184 on: March 19, 2008, 06:41:48 am »

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« Reply #185 on: March 19, 2008, 07:10:38 am »

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The thing I like about  photography is it's a combination of art and science. And in the skilled hands of a great photographer, a better camera can make better images, but in the hands of someone who knows not what they are doing, it's wasted. A picture is the sum of the camera, the technology, the art and the artist. You can't just look exclusively at one aspect or you'll get to the point of absurdity very rapidly....
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Graeme - you said it all with this post, I think. I shan't read the rest of the thread now  
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« Reply #186 on: March 19, 2008, 04:28:32 pm »

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If his site is a joke, it's one which he and many other take all too seriously.

His disclaimer simply appears to be an excuse for inconsistency.

Michael
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I know I am coming to this discussion late, but really, what can you say about a man with a LAVA LAMP on his desk?    (see down page on Ken's site)

I can't wait for the first "Travel to the moon with model rocket" etc.

Michael, I'm glad you took this on. If I remember correctly Van der Meer used a camera oscura and Ansel Adams spent a lot of time with f64 technique and depth of field.

Art is often enhanced by technology, giving the artist's vision more room to play.

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« Reply #187 on: March 19, 2008, 04:42:33 pm »

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Sorry, but without wishing to cast any doubt on your driving ability you are probably mistaken here:)
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No sir, you're mistaken.

A vehicle that can only go 100 mph will never be able to beat a vehicle that can go 200 mph

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« Reply #188 on: March 19, 2008, 04:47:06 pm »

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No sir, you're mistaken.

A vehicle that can only go 100 mph will never be able to beat a vehicle that can go 200 mph

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A vehicle that can go 200 mph doesn't go 200 mph unless the driver is capable of driving it that fast.  Apparently I think that is more difficult than you do.
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« Reply #189 on: March 19, 2008, 06:34:18 pm »

I can drive 125MPH...
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« Reply #190 on: March 19, 2008, 07:14:00 pm »

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I can drive 125MPH...
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Used to own a BMW and took it up to 140 a couple times.  First time was kind of scary, but second time it just didn't seem that fast.  I think NASCAR drivers average around 140-150 so that kind of amazed me.
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« Reply #191 on: March 19, 2008, 08:23:05 pm »

Driven 180mph in a Lotus Carlton. Very smooth.
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« Reply #192 on: March 19, 2008, 10:00:25 pm »

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Driven 180mph in a Lotus Carlton. Very smooth.
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A bit over 90 may not sound like much, but it was on a motorcycle. A BMW, in fact. Back in my reckless youth.
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« Reply #193 on: March 19, 2008, 10:00:26 pm »

I love Lotus.
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« Reply #194 on: March 19, 2008, 10:16:17 pm »

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Driven 180mph in a Lotus Carlton. Very smooth.
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Yep, they're pretty quick - when I was younger I ran a 900 sports bike and the Lotus Carlton was just about the only car that ever left me standing:) - to be fair I bottled and he just blasted off into the distance.

My original comment was that racetracks tend to have corners and travelling fast around them is much more skilled than driving in a straight line!

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« Reply #195 on: March 19, 2008, 10:45:47 pm »

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I love Lotus.
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Damn nice cars, handle beautifully as well.
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« Reply #196 on: March 19, 2008, 11:28:43 pm »

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My original comment was that racetracks tend to have corners and travelling fast around them is much more skilled than driving in a straight line!
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I agree wholeheartedly.  Corners is where the fun is.
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« Reply #197 on: March 20, 2008, 06:18:09 am »

Dear God, the lunatics are indeed in charge here.

Adios - Rob C

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« Reply #198 on: March 20, 2008, 07:25:19 am »

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A vehicle that can go 200 mph doesn't go 200 mph unless the driver is capable of driving it that fast.  Apparently I think that is more difficult than you do.
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The point you are completely missing is best understood in Porsche's most famous advertisement: "It's not how fast you go, but how well you go fast."

If I were in a Ferrari, I would never even need to redline it at 200 mph to easily defeat any driver in a Toyota. I could quickly and effectively get well passed the Toyota's capability in seconds, which would still be nowhere near the Ferrari's capability.

By contrast, the pro race car driver's skill (however considerable) would still be severely limited by the fact it takes a Toyota forever to get up to 100 mph, and then the sad unit would be screaming in protest if asked to keep it at said speed continually.

A Ferrari at 120 mph is coasting in style, a Toyota at 100 mph is screaming in agony ... and cannot maintain said speed for very long at all.

So as I said in the beginning, yes the tools do matter. You won't ever see a professional race car driver entering a race in a Toyota Corolla for this reason, nor will you ever see a professional photographer come to a wedding (or trying to enjoy macrophotography) with a disposable camera.

It is only when you are getting close to the top-end in equipment consideration where choice becomes less relevant, and photographer skill becomes more relevant, but all of the choices involved will still be amongst high-quality equipment if he expects to be in the race.

Jack
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« Reply #199 on: March 20, 2008, 07:39:18 am »

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I agree wholeheartedly.  Corners is where the fun is.

Corners are also an area where the superior handling of a car designed for speed (Porsche, Ferrari, etc.) will keep it firmly attached to the road at speeds and lateral G-forces that will send a Yugo through the guard rail and into the canyon. If you were to follow directly behind a Formula One driver in a Toyota, so that both of you were driving the same line through a corner, the Toyota is going to break loose and hit the wall long before the race car.
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