I'm sleazy for pointing out your fuzzy logic (grayscale) and deficient debating style (broken record, ignoring and failing to respond to valid objections to your argument, and out right refusal to accept expert opinion that does not agree with your viewpoint--Knoll, Murphy et al)?
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No...I would call the following ad hominem attacks which YOU seem to decry when aimed at you, but seem perfectly acceptable when coming from YOU...that's what I consider sleazy because you don't seem to have the capacity to understand (nor control) your own outbreaks.
See:
#8
"Some prominent photographers have taken the rubbish route, including Jeff Schewe and Andrew Rodney. "
#52
"He accuses me of arguing about how many angels fit on a pin, but what he seems to be trying to accomplish is having to retract any of his ill-considered statements and reach any common understanding of the scientific principles involved. His broken record method of debate reminds me of that used by Joseph Goebbels. "
#86
"Here is another take on this thread by some pretty knowledgeable people over on the DPReview Nikon D3 forum. There are also some interesting comments on the behavior of some contributers to the current thread."
#92
""He who corrects an arrogant man earns insult; and he who reproves a wicked man incurs opprobrium. Reprove not an arrogant man, let he hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you. Instruct a wise man, and he becomes still wiser; teach a just man, and he advances in learning."
-- Proverbs 9:7-9""
#94
"These distinctions seem to escape Jeff, who seems more like a bull in a china shop than a purist. His lack of insight and subtlety astonish me."
#131
"Misinformation, fuzzy logic, carrying water for the master, and arrogance rub me the wrong way, but your recommendation is sound."
#108
"The reason the topic recurs, is that these mafia "experts" keep making the same unqualified and misleading statements. This time around, we had a pretty good discussion that was joined by some true experts."
So, it's ok for YOU to resort to ad hominem debate methodology but it's considered poor form when you are the brunt (or your ad hominem is thrown back at ya)? That's what I think is a sleazy method of behavior. And yes, you did say
"OK, the Goebbels comparison was over the top, and I retract it and offer my apologies."
And if I thought for a New York Minute you were sincere I might consider it, but no, alas, you continue to squeal like a stuck pig claiming innocence while lashing out at every potential opportunity (or so it seems). So, from my point of view, the statement was made, insufficiently (or dishonestly) retracted and you aren't the less bit inclined to show any sort of honest contrition.
Oh, yeah, this whole thread was a sleazy (my opinion) attempt at trying to use the guise of scientific discussion to try to discredit statements by Andrew and myself and I point to these following words as guidance...
"I did not want to engage in another flame war over this topic, and had written you privately concerning this matter. On receiving no reply I made the public post."
So, you posted this whole thread as a thrown gauntlet, right? And you don't see anything sleazy in that?
OK, so, since you are just being you (and I am being me) what do you say if I just ignore you as a user? That way I won't be tempted to respond to you...so now you join two others who I have chosen to ignore on the forums. See ya, bye!