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GeorgeMiddleton

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To convert to printer/paper profile or not?
« on: March 27, 2024, 11:51:34 am »

Hi all,
Beginner question here..

I make prints of my artwork using Photoshop, my P800, various Epson papers, and Epson's canned printer/paper profiles.

In my attempt to represent these prints for sale on my website accurately, usually I make jpgs from my print file by converting a copy to sRGB with the same rendering intent as the print file.

However, in my usual effort to make things more complicated  :P, I've been experimenting with converting a copy to the printer/paper profile and print rendering intent first, then converting again to sRGB with ReCol.

Is this beneficial for greater accuracy, or a fool's errand?
Thank you!
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Re: To convert to printer/paper profile or not?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2024, 02:37:58 pm »

If it makes you happy to show your images in that way then go for it. But if you think it will make a difference to potential buyers then yes it's a fool's errand. Your work is going to be viewed on all manner of devices and screens and nobody besides you cares that much anyway.
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Re: To convert to printer/paper profile or not?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2024, 02:42:22 pm »

No, upload in sRGB for the web, end of story. You cannot control how others see your images on the web (or elsewhere). Yes, saving as sRGB is a good start but you have no control over others who may or may not be using color managed applications (without, sRGB is meaningless), if or how they calibrate their displays, etc. The best you can do is control your images on your end using color management.
See:

sRGB urban legend & myths Part 2
In this 17 minute video, I'll discuss some more sRGB misinformation and cover: When to use sRGB and what to expect on the web and mobile devices How sRGB doesn't insure a visual match without color management, how to check The downsides of an all sRGB workflow sRGB's color gamut vs. "professional" output devices The future of sRGB and wide gamut display technology Photo print labs that demand sRGB for output High resolution: http://digitaldog.net/files/sRGBMythsPart2.mp4 Low resolution on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyvVUL1gWV
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Re: To convert to printer/paper profile or not?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2024, 02:52:26 pm »

One more thing, when converting to sRGB, the rendering intent is recol regardless of what you choose.

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Re: To convert to printer/paper profile or not?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2024, 02:56:39 pm »

One more thing, when converting to sRGB, the rendering intent is recol regardless of what you choose.
For a v2 sRGB profile yes. Not for the V4 sRGB profile.
https://color.org/srgbprofiles.xalter
The three available rendering intents of the sRGB v4 profile should normally be used as follows: The ICC-absolute colorimetric rendering intent should be used when the goal is to maintain the colors of the original on the reproduction, The media-relative colorimetric intent should be used when the goal is to map the source medium white to the destination medium, The perceptual intent should be used when the goal is to re-optimize the source colors for the reproduction medium while maintaining the "look" of the source image
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Re: To convert to printer/paper profile or not?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2024, 03:08:55 pm »

For a v2 sRGB profile yes. Not for the V4 sRGB profile.


Yes, an important clarification.

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Re: To convert to printer/paper profile or not?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2024, 08:47:31 pm »

Thank you all for your wisdom and info :) Andrew, watching your sRGB video now.

And just wanted to say a general thank you to the folks on these forums; I've been reading and learning a lot here for a few years, and finding so many answers and incredible info from all my searches on particular issues. Just a fabulous resource.
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