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Re: National Parks affected by the climate changes
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2022, 02:10:16 am »

Any person who denies that the climate has always changed, over time, in most parts of the world, is surely a nitwit.  ;)

Any person who asserts that the current rate, mechanism, and consequences of global climate change is nothing new is surely a nitwit.   ::)

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Re: National Parks affected by the climate changes
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2022, 06:14:29 am »

Any person who asserts that the current rate, mechanism, and consequences of global climate change is nothing new is surely a nitwit.   ::)



The last 100 years ("current rate") vs. how many billion of years of Earth existence, four, five, you say? That would be 0.000002%. That's five zeros after the decimal point.

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Re: National Parks affected by the climate changes
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2022, 06:15:30 am »

The name-calling exists on both sides of the opposing arguments. For example, those who are skeptical about the 'potentially catastrophic effects' of human CO2 emissions, are often called 'climate change deniers'.

Any person who denies that the climate has always changed, over time, in most parts of the world, is surely a nitwit.  ;)

Welcome back, Ray! Glad to see you are still clicking :)

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Re: National Parks affected by the climate changes
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2022, 06:16:57 am »

Nitwits need not apply:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/07/02/summer-2022-climate-change-heat/Nitwits playing climate scientists on photo forums should ignore:

Oh, my God! Since 1971!?  That long? ;)

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2022, 08:53:38 am »

Oh, my God! Since 1971!?  That long? ;)
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2022, 09:41:37 am »

Those who are skeptical about the 'potentially catastrophic effects' of human CO2 emissions, are often ill-informed amateurs pretending to be better informed than climate scientists who have spent their adult lives studying and analyzing the mechanisms and effects of climate change. In order to distract from their lack of knowledge, they will sometimes engage in transparently phony attacks on climate scientists.

How often? Please provide a reference to the studies which show that such skeptics are often ill-informed amateurs pretending to be better informed than climate scientists. Skepticism is a fundamental requirement for the progression of our scientific understanding. It should not be dismissed. There are many well-qualified scientists who are skeptical about the exaggerated alarm about Anthropogenic
 Climate Change.

Everything that I know about the history of climate on our planet, comes from scientists, such as Geologists and Paleoclimatologists. I don't make things up, or pretend to be better informed than them. I read their peer-reviewed studies, or at least the Abstracts and Summaries, search for other studies that confirm their results, and make an interpretation based upon logic and rationality.

When the alarm that our CO2 emissions would cause rising temperatures which could result in catastrophic consequences, first appeared in the media, and was supported in the media by interviews of  certain 'famous' scientists, I accepted that claim as true, and wondered why governments were not taking more rigorous action. This would have been in the 1980's when I knew very little about past climate changes.

I can sympathise with many of the young people today who are very worried and concerned about their future because of the lack of government action on climate change, and this, unfortunately, has psychological consequences for them.

Such young folks probably spend most of their time chatting on the iPhone, playing video games, watching sporting events, and reading all the bad news about global warming and extreme weather events on the daily news.

With little understanding of history, and no confidence to investigate 'climate change' issues for themselves, by searching for scientific information on the internet rather than personal opinions on blogs, it's not surprising that many of them are seriously alarmed and depressed about their future.

One of the turning points for me was in 2011 when Queensland, Australia, was inundated by massive floods which caused billions of dollars worth of damage. It was reported in the media as the worst flood on record and a confirmation of the results of 'human caused' climate change. I was personally caught in the floods and had to travel by canoe to get home to my house.

After the flood event had settled, I decided to investigate on the internet if that flood really was the worst on record. The  Bureau of Meteorology is a fairly reliable organization, wouldn't you think? Their records showed that the 2011 flood was the 7th worst on record. The worst flood on record occurred in 1893, over a hundred years ago when CO2 levels were much lower.

Attached is a photograph taken in 1893, of people canoeing in the centre of Brisbane. There still exists a monument in the city centre showing the flood height in 1893. Attached is also a BOM graph showing previous flood heights in Brisbane.

http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/flood/fld_history/brisbane_history.shtml

This is just one example of the misinformation propogated by the mass media, regarding climate change. I've discovered many more.




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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2022, 09:48:37 am »

I've ridden on your merry-go-round before. It never went anywhere interesting. Just round and round in circles.

Those who are skeptical about the 'potentially catastrophic effects' of human CO2 emissions, are often ill-informed amateurs pretending to be better informed than climate scientists who have spent their adult lives studying and analyzing the mechanisms and effects of climate change. In order to distract from their lack of knowledge, they will sometimes engage in transparently phony attacks on climate scientists.
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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2022, 10:11:03 am »

I've ridden on your merry-go-round before. It never went anywhere interesting. Just round and round in circles.

Well, I'm sorry you are unable to appreciate my point. Extreme weather events, and changing climate, have always been a major issue for mankind, throughout history. The solution is to adapt.

In our modern scientific era, with abundant energy supplies and advanced technology, we have the capability to adapt, but due to hubris, most of those in control seem to think we can solve the problem by reducing CO2 emissions. It's a fairy story for children.  ;D
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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2022, 10:21:41 am »

No comment.
Good response.   Ignore him.

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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2022, 10:30:12 am »

Good response.   Ignore him.
Teammate advice:
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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2022, 10:33:01 am »

Ray, nice to see you back with your thoughtful comments, logically presented. 

Sorry you had a flood.  Hope things are back to normal. 

The American Southwest needs some of that water.  Lake Mead is drying up and California, New Mexico and the other desert states are having problems providing enough water for their inhabitants.  Well, duh!  Who in their right minds moves into the desert willingly building new homes all over the sand?  What did these people think was going to happen eventually when it's 115F in Phoenix Arizona and everyone has pools, golf courses, green lawns, and farms that need loads of water.  Why do only rattlesnakes and cactus live there?  They blame global warming for the desert.  Madness. 

It's the same thing here where I live in New Jersey.  Hurricanes come through and homes along the shore get wiped out.  So, people just stay making the stilts that their homes sit on a few feet higher.  They never learn.  Then they blame global warming for hurricanes.  More madness. 

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« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2022, 10:40:31 am »

Ray, nice to see you back with your thoughtful comments, logically presented. 

Sorry you had a flood.  Hope things are back to normal. 

The American Southwest needs some of that water.  Lake Mead is drying up and California, New Mexico and the other desert states are having problems providing enough water for their inhabitants.  Well, duh!  Who in their right minds moves into the desert willingly building new homes all over the sand?  What did these people think was going to happen eventually when it's 115F in Phoenix Arizona and everyone has pools, golf courses, green lawns, and farms that need loads of water.  Why do only rattlesnakes and cactus live there?  They blame global warming for the desert.  Madness. 

It's the same thing here where I live in New Jersey.  Hurricanes come through and homes along the shore get wiped out.  So, people just stay making the stilts that their homes sit on a few feet higher.  They never learn.  Then they blame global warming for hurricanes.  More madness.
Madness indeed; all Biden's fault right Alan? 😭
Get back on script.
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« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2022, 11:49:55 am »

This has it all (for non-nitwits, those that first read about then accept science): hyperspectral imaging, raw processing, monitoring tropospheric ozone, detecting formaldehyde from wildfires, identifying and distinguishing between scattering and absorbing aerosols in the atmosphere, a crucial factor in understanding climate change, low levels of volcanic degassing and more.

New technology developed at Los Alamos National Laboratory (so much more useful than producing plutonium pits for U.S. nuclear weapons) was published today.
https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/health_and_science/tiny-inexpensive-satellites-can-monitor-harmful-gases-from-space/article_b72e34bc-faf4-11ec-a845-2f9629a1616e.html

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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2022, 12:03:28 pm »

Global warming is one thing. You can argue if it is caused by God, industry or cows farting, but the evidence and increasing number of catastrophic events can't be disputed.

The increased plastic pollution in the air and water is even worse, the small particles are already in the plants, animals, and human bodies. That can't be good - neither for climate change worriers or deniers.
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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2022, 04:02:34 pm »

... but the evidence and increasing number of catastrophic events can't be disputed....

That is exactly what we are disputing.  There is no increasing number of catastrophic events, except in a very short, cherry-picked time frame.

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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2022, 04:20:03 pm »

That is exactly what we are disputing.  There is no increasing number of catastrophic events, except in a very short, cherry-picked time frame.
And then there are the facts:
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-02-18/top-10-us-record-breaking-extreme-weather-events-of-the-decade?context=amp
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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2022, 04:42:06 pm »

Well, I'm sorry you are unable to appreciate my point.

I am unable to appreciate your point because I've already been down this path with you and found it to be a gigantic waste of time and energy. You're not on a path of scientific exploration. You have an agenda which is to discredit scientists and "mass media" and are willing to create false narratives to do so.

That bubble is very elastic and impenetrable. I don't have anymore time for it.
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« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2022, 04:44:08 pm »

And then there are the facts:
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-02-18/top-10-us-record-breaking-extreme-weather-events-of-the-decade?context=amp

Have you noticed the part in my statement that reads "except in a very short, cherry-picked time frame"? Like a decade?

And the ranking based on a dollar value of damage? But of course that is highest now vs. before. Inflation is one factor, but even more important is urbanization and economic growth. There are now more buildings, more industry, more property, more cars, etc. than ever before, so naturally the damage, expressed in dollars, will be higher than before.

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« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2022, 04:57:11 pm »

Have you noticed the part in my statement that reads "except in a very short, cherry-picked time frame"? Like a decade?
I did. It's nonsensical and moot in the grand scheme of things on this topic. A distraction and silliness.
I'm sorry the facts and science have ruined your day.
It is impossible to puncture the unreality bubble surrounding a fact denier. We can only attempt to sway those with open minds.
The evidence and increasing number of catastrophic events HASNT been disputed.
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« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2022, 05:20:33 pm »

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Any person who asserts that the current rate, mechanism, and consequences of global climate change is nothing new is surely a nitwit.   ::)

The last 100 years ("current rate") vs. how many billion of years of Earth existence, four, five, you say? That would be 0.000002%. That's five zeros after the decimal point.

Have you noticed the part in my statement that reads "and" in the sentence rather than "or"? It is the combination of those factors cited that I suggest is unique, not any one thing.

Your reply is verbal sleight of hand which isolates "current rate" by ignoring the clear intent of making it part of a group of things to be considered together and not selectively edited. If I had intended for the factors cited to be considered individually, I would have used "or" in their sequence. I have no doubt that this was inadvertent on your part.

Still, you do recognize the difference between climate and weather in your reply. That's why I like discussing things with you.
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