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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2022, 07:33:33 pm »

...I'm totally lost about the bit about an assumption. If I'm a bit confused by your suggestions...

I think that you and Doug are on the same general page, but just inadvertently talking past each other. I think Doug's post was counterpoint to Alan's comment that "The acceptable range is 80 cd/m2 to 120 cd/m2".
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2022, 07:43:11 pm »

I think that you and Doug are on the same general page, but just inadvertently talking past each other. I think Doug's post was counterpoint to Alan's comment that "The acceptable range is 80 cd/m2 to 120 cd/m2".
All of us should ignore anything Alan recommends. He's lost in (color) space. 😂
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2022, 08:40:53 pm »

Again, I'm aware of this recommendation but I'm totally lost about the bit about an assumption. If I'm a bit confused by your suggestions, what about the OP and do you have something to suggest for his issue: prints appear darker than his display?
Let me make it perfectly clear I am not suggesting any Cd/m2 settings (mine or otherwise) for the OP or anyone else; that's folly to do and can only be provided based on assumptions.
IF someone clearly defines they are using the same NEC PA as I do, the same software and colorimeter and viewing conditions, and the same paper I use, I could provide a recommendation as a starting point. We are not there.

About the only thing I "assumed" is that the OP was viewing prints under 300 Lux. That may well not be correct. The first way to check is compare how bright an unprinted paper appears compared to the monitor with a screen filled with "white" when adjacent.  If the paper is significantly darker one would expect prints to also appear darker. If not there may be some problem with either the profile being used to print or the one controlling the monitor. Usually it's because the prints are viewed with lower lighting levels than correct for the monitor's cd/m^2 setting. May well be he's viewing the prints with 150 Lux or even less.  That's going to make the prints look too dark even if properly printed.

To get matches to match you need to control all aspects including viewing light, monitor's white point and tint to match, and the printer/paper profile being used. All too frequently the viewing light levels are not controlled to match the screen.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2022, 08:43:51 pm »

About the only thing I "assumed" is that the OP was viewing prints under 300 Lux.
News to me.
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The first way to check is compare how bright an unprinted paper appears compared to the monitor with a screen filled with "white" when adjacent.  If the paper is significantly darker one would expect prints to also appear darker.
No assumptions necessary here: he told us there is a brightness mismatch.
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To get matches to match you need to control all aspects including viewing light, monitor's white point and tint to match, and the printer/paper profile being used.
Absolutely and I provided a video that covers this.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2022, 03:21:07 pm »

Sorry I tipped my toe back in the water.  What a waste this forum has become.

Wasn't it better when there was an active forum moderator? I think it was before my time here but that's the impression I get.

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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2022, 04:23:19 pm »

Wasn't it better when there was an active forum moderator? I think it was before my time here but that's the impression I get.

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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2022, 04:32:23 pm »

Unfortunately, the forum owner is out to lunch.
He's not alone. 😜
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2022, 04:50:30 pm »

Wasn't it better when there was an active forum moderator? I think it was before my time here but that's the impression I get.

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I remember some earlier threads that were better before you showed up to buzz around like a fly at a picnic. At least, that's the impression I got.

I guess we'll all just have to live with each other's idiosyncrasies and attitudes — just like in real life.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2022, 05:21:15 pm »

Our hard working volunteer moderator left out of frustration such as:
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=137306.msg1205403#msg1205403
He's active on Photo PXL where far less moderation is necessary.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2022, 05:28:47 pm »

Our hard working volunteer moderator left...

That's OK by me. I hope that he's well and happy and stays where he landed.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2022, 07:47:04 pm »

That's OK by me. I hope that he's well and happy and stays where he landed.
OK by me too.
Based on a private conversation, he ain't showing up here again.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2022, 01:42:55 pm »

I remember some earlier threads that were better before you showed up to buzz around like a fly at a picnic. At least, that's the impression I got.

Do you have to work on being an objectionable oaf, or does such rudeness to someone you have never met come naturally? I defy you to point to a single thread that could possibly justify your boorishness towards me (or indeed towards anyone).

I can see why the forums here are dying.

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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2022, 02:47:52 pm »

I defy you to point to a single thread that could possibly justify your boorishness towards me...

We can start right here. You buzz into a thread that has been asleep for two weeks to do what? To pick at a scab and stir some petty grievances back into the air again. Gee... thanks. Where's that fly swatter?

One year ago, you came forward with your first ever post. It consisted of a single word to insert yourself into some fairly good-natured teasing going on between two others with a long history. The conversation continued without being escalated by your bait. Generally, I admire brevity as it's a quality that I lack, but not always. Your introduction of yourself to this forum...

Hypocrisy?

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In your earliest posts, you continued trying to insert yourself between people with long histories of what was typically disagreement accompanied with some occasional good-natured teasing. And you kept on trying to stir up animosity or create it where none existed, going after someone's avatar picture as if that was important somehow. This is how you decided to begin to introduce yourself here in your first handful of posts. Shall I continue? I can certainly provide later examples. Do you want to waste more time trying to stir up controversy and animosity? Even where a topic you started was greeted with only pleasant and positive replies, you couldn't resist quickly turning it unpleasant and negative.

Where your posts have simply been an attempt to do nothing but agitate, my replies have been uncharacteristically succinct. I've wasted too many words on you in this post already. You remind me of another pot stirrer on this forum for whom I have few words and less time.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2022, 02:50:14 pm »

I can see why the forums here are dying.

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You're not even capable of seeing your own...

Hypocrisy...
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2022, 02:35:44 am »

We can start right here. You buzz into a thread that has been asleep for two weeks to do what? To pick at a scab and stir some petty grievances back into the air again. Gee... thanks. Where's that fly swatter?

One year ago, you came forward with your first ever post. It consisted of a single word to insert yourself into some fairly good-natured teasing going on between two others with a long history. The conversation continued without being escalated by your bait. Generally, I admire brevity as it's a quality that I lack, but not always. Your introduction of yourself to this forum...

In your earliest posts, you continued trying to insert yourself between people with long histories of what was typically disagreement accompanied with some occasional good-natured teasing. And you kept on trying to stir up animosity or create it where none existed, going after someone's avatar picture as if that was important somehow. This is how you decided to begin to introduce yourself here in your first handful of posts. Shall I continue? I can certainly provide later examples. Do you want to waste more time trying to stir up controversy and animosity?

Where your posts have simply been an attempt to do nothing but agitate, my replies have been uncharacteristically succinct. I've wasted too many words on you in this post already. You remind me of another pot stirrer on this forum for whom I have few words and less time.

You are a teenage troll, sitting in your little bedroom in your parents' house, spewing vitriol and unworthy of any further consideration. I'd report you to the moderator, if there were one still - or are you angling for the post?

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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2022, 06:46:22 pm »

...I'd report you to the moderator, if there were one still...

There is a moderator. The owner of this site took over that duty. He can do as he wishes. He's the one paying the bills for this site, after all.

So, don't just stand there tapping your foot and fuming. Bang that service bell and talk to the manager!!

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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2022, 06:44:44 am »

I see that, in my absence, there are plenty of contenders vying to take over my role as the Jerk-In-Chief  ;D

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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2022, 08:27:01 am »

Welcome back. Nice to see you again.

I guess we'll all just have to live with each other's idiosyncrasies and attitudes — just like in real life.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2022, 12:08:48 pm »

I see that, in my absence, there are plenty of contenders vying to take over my role as the Jerk-In-Chief  ;D
I guess I have to disappoint you, but the title of Jerk-In-Chief has been awarded for eternity to, drumroll please, digitaldog.
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Re: Calibration issue with NEC PA301W. Prints too dark...
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2022, 12:11:27 pm »

I guess I have to disappoint you, but the title of Jerk-In-Chief has been awarded for eternity to, drumroll please, digitaldog.
No disappointment nor anything new in your posting agenda: once again, you've proven the fact your presence here in these photography forums, as one without any ability to apply photography or comment on the topic (Prints too dark) is well summed up by Mr. Marx
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot". -Groucho Marx

Wouldn't your ”valuable” time be more constructively spent on a new hobby; perhaps photography?
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