Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[Robert Roaldi]

It can work by NOT publishing preliminary, inconclusive indications.

That's EXACTLY how it works. Researchers send indications to each other all the time in the scientific literature. Provisos are included. That's how knowledge is built up. Some ideas pan out after further research, other ideas don't.

Some reporter published this somewhere and people (like Alan) jumped on it. NOT AT ANY TIME did any "expert" release this info to the public health authorities (let alone to the public) as something that was actionable.

NOBODY presented this info as gospel to the public at large and this exact topic has come up before when these same things were said.

[jeremyrh]

you woke people

Usually I take using the word "woke" in this derogatory way as an indication that the speaker has nothing original to say and can be safely added to an "ignore" list.  As you're a mate, I'll suspend judgement :-)

[Alan Klein]

Oh, get off the high horse!

It can work by NOT publishing preliminary, inconclusive indications.

There is nothing Alan said that was factually wrong in this case. 

P.S. It would be nice if you woke people would refrain from personal attacks. But I won't  hold my breath.

Since the moderator left, the woke have reverted to childish behavior again.  They can't control themselves.

[Alan Klein]

That's EXACTLY how it works. Researchers send indications to each other all the time in the scientific literature. Provisos are included. That's how knowledge is built up. Some ideas pan out after further research, other ideas don't.

Some reporter published this somewhere and people (like Alan) jumped on it. NOT AT ANY TIME did any "expert" release this info to the public health authorities (let alone to the public) as something that was actionable.

NOBODY presented this info as gospel to the public at large and this exact topic has come up before when these same things were said.

The type A blood issue was published in many articles giving the factors that made people get Covid worse including diabetes, overweight, older age, etc.  Blood type was one of the listed comorbidities.  There were many single articles re-stating the problem with Type A patients.

No one's arguing that we should stop research and ignore later results of studies.  The issue is every time the experts change their minds, the public gets confused.  They lose confidence in the so-called "expert's" knowledge of what to do to stay safe. 

Meanwhile, people have lost their livelihoods, can't afford to pay rent and their mortgages, and can't feed their families.  Shrugging your shoulders and saying that's how science works doesn't help the poor guy out of work who's trying to make ends meet. They get to the point where they'll just ignore the expert's advice and move on.

[jeremyrh]

Since the moderator left, the woke have reverted to childish behavior again.  They can't control themselves.

Proving the value of my rule of thumb. Though in this case it was unnecessary, since liars are rarely worth listening to.

[Robert Roaldi]

Since the moderator left, the woke have reverted to childish behavior again.  They can't control themselves.

Too funny.

How often do you expect to keep repeating the same untruths and not get any blow back? Do you think it's ok to say that "experts" told you that blood type may affect Covid outcomes, when they never said any such thing, and that THAT has been discussed before.

You keep inventing things that "experts" told you to do, when that never occurred. The "experts" told you to avoid contact, wash your hands, get vaccinated, etc. That's all they ever told you. Side issues, like the blood type conjecture, were in-progress studies, nothing for you to act on, nothing for you to even consider in your decisions, until they were throughly studied and recommendations derived therefrom. You have been told this before and yet you bring it up AGAIN, claiming it as an example of lies "experts" told you.

This is deliberate trolling, imo. You claim the right to speak whatever is on your mind. Cool. I have no problem with that. But that cuts both ways, and others have the right to call you on what you say.

[Robert Roaldi]

The type A blood issue was published in many articles giving the factors that made people get Covid worse including diabetes, overweight, older age, etc.  Blood type was one of the listed comorbidities.  There were many single articles re-stating the problem with Type A patients.

There were all conjecture, based on limited data. NONE of it was a call to action to public health authorities. NONE of it was official and you were told it was not. Reporters may have written about the conjecture in popular media, but so what. Why would you take medical advise from popular media that is not approved by the correct medical authorities? It's not the "experts" fault if you cannot understand what you're reading. You jumped to conclusions, were told that you were jumping to conclusions, but you continue to repeat the same malarkey 6-8 months AFTER it was dealt with. You need to assimilate new information, not keep falling back on your own misconceptions.

[Alan Klein]

Too funny.

How often do you expect to keep repeating the same untruths and not get any blow back? Do you think it's ok to say that "experts" told you that blood type may affect Covid outcomes, when they never said any such thing, and that THAT has been discussed before.

You keep inventing things that "experts" told you to do, when that never occurred. The "experts" told you to avoid contact, wash your hands, get vaccinated, etc. That's all they ever told you. Side issues, like the blood type conjecture, were in-progress studies, nothing for you to act on, nothing for you to even consider in your decisions, until they were throughly studied and recommendations derived therefrom. You have been told this before and yet you bring it up AGAIN, claiming it as an example of lies "experts" told you.

This is deliberate trolling, imo. You claim the right to speak whatever is on your mind. Cool. I have no problem with that. But that cuts both ways, and others have the right to call you on what you say.

You use personal attacks like everyone else on the left.  It's your and their modus operandi. Shut them down. Delete their tweets. Attack their businesses. Call them names. 

[jeremyrh]

You use personal attacks like everyone else on the left.  It's your and their modus operandi. Shut them down. Delete their tweets. Attack their businesses. Call them names.

Tell lies.  Oh, no - that's you.

[TechTalk]

Since the moderator left, the woke have reverted to childish behavior again.  They can't control themselves.

The behavior of those that want to redirect this thread into a platform for their ideology is childish, but I wouldn't call it "woke". I agree they can't control themselves.

[Alan Klein]

There were all conjecture, based on limited data. NONE of it was a call to action to public health authorities. NONE of it was official and you were told it was not. Reporters may have written about the conjecture in popular media, but so what. Why would you take medical advise from popular media that is not approved by the correct medical authorities? It's not the "experts" fault if you cannot understand what you're reading. You jumped to conclusions, were told that you were jumping to conclusions, but you continue to repeat the same malarkey 6-8 months AFTER it was dealt with. You need to assimilate new information, not keep falling back on your own misconceptions.

You're mistaken. There were studies described by organizations read by millions like AARP and more studied research from government agencies like the NIH (National Institute of Health)  If you look, you will find hundreds of articles similarly describing differences due to blood type.


Does Blood Type Play a Role in COVID-19 Risk?
Studies show link between blood types, from A to O, and the body's response to the coronavirus
Researchers in Denmark found that among more than 7,400 people who tested positive for COVID-19, fewer individuals had type O blood compared to type A, despite the fact that the two blood types accounted for the same share of the population when compared to a larger control group. Canadian researchers reached a similar finding in their retrospective study published in Annals of Internal Medicine. They found that people with type O blood had a lower risk for contracting the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) compared to those with type A, B or AB. They also observed that individuals with type O blood had a slightly lower risk for getting severely ill or dying from COVID-19 if they did become infected. And several other peer-reviewed studies reinforce these findings.
https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/blood-type-coronavirus.html

Here's another by the NIH (National Institute of Health), a US government agency similar to the CDC.

Genes, Blood Type Tied to Risk of Severe COVID-19
" In fact, the findings suggest that people with blood type A face a 50 percent greater risk of needing oxygen support or a ventilator should they become infected with the novel coronavirus. In contrast, people with blood type O appear to have about a 50 percent reduced risk of severe COVID-19."

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/06/18/genes-blood-type-tied-to-covid-19-risk-of-severe-disease/

[Robert Roaldi]

You use personal attacks like everyone else on the left.  It's your and their modus operandi. Shut them down. Delete their tweets. Attack their businesses. Call them names.

Silly hogwash. Nobody shut you down, nobody deleted your posts, nobody attacked your business.

I'll add one more comment. Your categorization of me as being on the left is another pathetic sign of the times. In your bizarro world, if you're not alt-right, then you're a Maoist. That's ridiculous. (You see, that was hyperbole.)

Alt-right wing fantasy conspiracy militia proud boys is not conservative. Go read some books, is my advice. Start with Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, only don't stop with the two paragraphs that the pseudo-libertarians keep repeating online, read the other 1000 pages.

But I do regret engaging in this pointless nonsense in this thread. For that I apologize to other readers.

[Robert Roaldi]

You're mistaken. There were studies described by organizations read by millions like AARP and more studied research from government agencies like the NIH (National Institute of Health)  If you look, you will find hundreds of articles similarly describing differences due to blood type.


Does Blood Type Play a Role in COVID-19 Risk?
Studies show link between blood types, from A to O, and the body's response to the coronavirus
Researchers in Denmark found that among more than 7,400 people who tested positive for COVID-19, fewer individuals had type O blood compared to type A, despite the fact that the two blood types accounted for the same share of the population when compared to a larger control group. Canadian researchers reached a similar finding in their retrospective study published in Annals of Internal Medicine. They found that people with type O blood had a lower risk for contracting the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) compared to those with type A, B or AB. They also observed that individuals with type O blood had a slightly lower risk for getting severely ill or dying from COVID-19 if they did become infected. And several other peer-reviewed studies reinforce these findings.
https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/blood-type-coronavirus.html

Here's another by the NIH (National Institute of Health), a US government agency similar to the CDC.

Genes, Blood Type Tied to Risk of Severe COVID-19
" In fact, the findings suggest that people with blood type A face a 50 percent greater risk of needing oxygen support or a ventilator should they become infected with the novel coronavirus. In contrast, people with blood type O appear to have about a 50 percent reduced risk of severe COVID-19."

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/06/18/genes-blood-type-tied-to-covid-19-risk-of-severe-disease/

Of course there were. That's how research is done. People post findings, then others try to replicate, then eventually a more comprehensive picture emerges as more and more information is acquired and the issues are better understood.

Why are you attempting to read/understand works-in-progress in fields in which you're not knowledgeable? It only leads to your misunderstanding. Those research-in-progress articles are NOT written for the layman, they're specialized articles written for colleagues. And you have been told THAT before too. I'm done here.

[TechTalk]

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/06/18/genes-blood-type-tied-to-covid-19-risk-of-severe-disease

The other association signal popped up on chromosome 9, right over the area of the genome that determines blood type. Whether you are classified as an A, B, AB, or O blood type, depends on how your genes instruct your blood cells to produce (or not produce) a certain set of proteins. The researchers did find evidence suggesting a relationship between blood type and COVID-19 risk. They noted that this area also includes a genetic variant associated with increased levels of interleukin-6, which plays a role in inflammation and may have implications for COVID-19 as well.

These findings, completed in two months under very difficult clinical conditions, clearly warrant further study to understand the implications more fully.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Robert, the science religious fanatic, thinks that science is always right. Never mind that scientists flip-flop worse than John Kerry.

[Alan Klein]

Of course there were. That's how research is done. People post findings, then others try to replicate, then eventually a more comprehensive picture emerges as more and more information is acquired and the issues are better understood.

Why are you attempting to read/understand works-in-progress in fields in which you're not knowledgeable? It only leads to your misunderstanding. Those research-in-progress articles are NOT written for the layman, they're specialized articles written for colleagues. And you have been told THAT before too. I'm done here.

Articles like the one I linked to written by AARP (American Association for Retired People) with 38 million members are written for the layman.  Similar articles in media and on cable and broadcast TV made similar representations about covid and blood type.  How can anyone ignore their statements? How does the public know which statements they should listen to and which to ignore? 

You seem to want it both ways.  On the one hand, we should listen to the experts.  Then, when they change their minds, you advocate we shouldn't have listened too closely because the evidence wasn't confirmed. Maybe the public should just flip a coin.

[faberryman]

No one's arguing that we should stop research and ignore later results of studies.  The issue is every time the experts change their minds, the public gets confused.  They lose confidence in the so-called "expert's" knowledge of what to do to stay safe. 

Meanwhile, people have lost their livelihoods, can't afford to pay rent and their mortgages, and can't feed their families.  Shrugging your shoulders and saying that's how science works doesn't help the poor guy out of work who's trying to make ends meet. They get to the point where they'll just ignore the expert's advice and move on.

Do you consider yourself a member of "the public" who has lost "confidence in the so-called "expert's" knowledge of what to do to stay safe." Have you gotten to the point where you just "ignore the expert's advice and move on." Or are you just talking about what other people believe and do? On what basis have you determined what other people believe and do?

I must be hanging around with the wrong people because I don't know of anyone who has lost confidence in the so-called "expert's" knowledge of what to do to stay safe, nor do I know of anyone who just ignores the expert's advice and moves on. Except maybe Joe and Slobodan.

Listen to the experts or don't listen to the experts. It is entirely your choice. But please stop whining about it.

[TechTalk]

Robert, the science religious fanatic, thinks that science is always right. Never mind that scientists flip-flop worse than John Kerry.

Science is not a religion and its not about being right or the truth. Science is an ever expanding pool of knowledge based on research and evidence. It seeks the best explanation for what is observed based on the best available evidence. As evidence changes, and hypothesis and theories are tested and challenged, or proofs emerge, it is incorporated into that ever expanding pool of knowledge. If you don't understand that; you're missing the entire underlying principle and instead of wading into a pool of growing and evolving knowledge; you're left standing at the side just kicking at the water.

[jeremyrh]

Articles like the one I linked to written by AARP (American Association for Retired People) with 38 million members are written for the layman. 

The first sentence of the AARP article says: "Even still, experts caution that the accumulating evidence on this subject shouldn't influence everyday medical or public health decisions."

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Science is not a religion...

 

No, but it is adopted by the woke as the new religion, because, apparently, humanity can not survive without some form of religion.