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Alan Klein

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12060 on: October 28, 2021, 10:41:22 am »

You want to prevent the dreaded "printing" to cover infrastructure and social spending bills? Then tell the GOP to support increased taxes on the wealthy and increased IRS funding to catch more tax cheats.
The better option is to spend within your means just as my wife and I do.  Don't you stop spending when the money runs out?

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« Reply #12061 on: October 28, 2021, 10:43:04 am »

Driving your Tesla wouldn't have been nearly as much fun on the roads available in 1913. Then again, 1913 was itself transitory being followed by 1914 which introduced us to a new term, World War. But, then came 1915.

I guess to be fair, a lot of things changed in the 108-years that have followed since 1913. Then again, a lot had changed during the 108-years that preceded 1913. In 1805 Jefferson was president and Lewis and Clark were trying to discover what lay in the wilderness west of the Mississippi River.

I guess a great many things change over time.
Except death and taxes.

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« Reply #12062 on: October 28, 2021, 12:04:41 pm »

The big concern about taxing unearned income suggested now for billionaires, is that similarly, it's a slippery slope.  Pretty soon they'll tax millionaires, then all the rest of the country so our 401K retirement plans will be taxed even before we use them.  Investments in stock will be taxed every year if the value goes up even before you sell it.  It's all just another way to get more taxes out of us.

Of course, that creates economic imbalances and maladjusted investments.  If they only tax liquid investments like stocks, everyone will shift to real estate causing that market to get priced out of sight.  Start-up companies and existing corporations won't be able to find investors hurting business growth and jobs.   This creates winners and losers (Real estate vs. stock) and malinvestments all caused by the government.  The negative effect with hurt the whole economy.

The right way to do it is to stop spending beyond our means.  Of course, that's too simple for all the socialists and big spenders in Washington.

Not only slipery, but outright stupid.
If such a law should pass, all the billionaires in order to pay the new tax would have to sell a good portion of their holdings, which would push the stock prices lower and hit also the sub-billionaires (including even pensioners and union factory workers with small to medium stock holdings). Many investors using margins or other loans would be forced to reduce their holdings and that would cause a big stock market collapse and serious losses for all investors.  While the politicians who voted for such a law would introduce another law to re-index higher their pensions and salaries.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12063 on: October 28, 2021, 02:13:52 pm »

Enjoy the ride.

"You must be this tall..."  :)
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« Reply #12064 on: October 28, 2021, 02:14:46 pm »

Quick questions.  How many ads and articles describing "good" oil have you seen vs ads, articles and documentaries showing how bad oil is?

Why would I spend time answering your questions when you completely ignore mine?
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« Reply #12065 on: October 28, 2021, 02:19:52 pm »

  It's all just another way to get more taxes out of us.
... The negative effect with hurt the whole economy.

"Make America Great Again" is generally assumed to mean the golden age of the fifties when Americans could live a good life, own their own houses and support their families on a single income.

So, Alan, what was the top-level taxation rate during those "golden years"  ?
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« Reply #12066 on: October 28, 2021, 03:05:33 pm »

Why would I spend time answering your questions when you completely ignore mine?
My question doesn't require extensive research as yours does. Just a gut feeling.  It would also answer your question in a general way.  There's been way more spent pushing the climate change agenda.   

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« Reply #12067 on: October 28, 2021, 04:54:23 pm »

The better option is to spend within your means just as my wife and I do.  Don't you stop spending when the money runs out?

Why would that be better? To liken a government's budget to a couple's family spending makes no sense. Anyway, don't the government's "means" include legally owed taxes? And don't they, from a moral perspective, include a reasonable contribution from the super-rich?
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« Reply #12068 on: October 28, 2021, 07:37:51 pm »

At least I won't have to wait for a new foreign car floating on a cargo ship off California.  Anyone finding the same issues?  How are you handling it?

This is how one fellow in Oz dealt with the supply chain issues.

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« Reply #12069 on: October 28, 2021, 07:54:46 pm »

This is how one fellow in Oz dealt with the supply chain issues.

Amazing.  If only life were that simple again.
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« Reply #12070 on: October 28, 2021, 10:11:44 pm »

Biden's new payment plan will invite illegals by the millions. What a dope.  Heck, I might get in line too.  Canadians invited as well.  Just bring your kids. 

Family Members Separated at Border May Each Get Up to $450,000
After the Trump administration separated migrant parents from children at the southern border, President Biden pledged to make it up to the families.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/us/politics/trump-family-separation-border.html

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« Reply #12071 on: October 28, 2021, 11:03:00 pm »

Why would that be better? To liken a government's budget to a couple's family spending makes no sense. Anyway, don't the government's "means" include legally owed taxes? And don't they, from a moral perspective, include a reasonable contribution from the super-rich?
I have no problem with the IRS catching tax cheats and the rich paying taxes. The question is how much taxes should they pay and where should they be taxed from?

Regarding the difference between your family and the federal government, you can't go into debt for 29 trillion dollars. So that much of your statement is true. This year currently US federal tax revenue is around 4 trillion and spending is almost 7 trillion. That means that the federal budget is short almost 3 trillion dollars which has to be made up from borrowing but mainly from printing. Of course you can't print. Printing causes inflation and higher prices and a diminishing of your paycheck and savings.

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« Reply #12072 on: October 28, 2021, 11:42:30 pm »

What a dope.

I thought personal attacks were prohibited on LuLa
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« Reply #12073 on: October 28, 2021, 11:44:47 pm »

I have no problem with the IRS catching tax cheats and the rich paying taxes. The question is how much taxes should they pay and where should they be taxed from?

Then why didn't you answer my question about tax rates back when America was great?
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« Reply #12074 on: October 29, 2021, 02:52:38 am »

My question doesn't require extensive research ... Just a gut feeling. .   

Google ‘USA 1950 tax rates’, and you get
https://taxfoundation.org/historical-income-tax-rates-brackets/

Extensive research ? A modicum of research is the perfect antidote to YOUR persistent misinformation and ‘seat-of-the-pants’ BS.

Edit:
An excellent resource regarding taxation, both national and international, individual and corporate. Recommended.
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« Reply #12075 on: October 29, 2021, 05:12:05 am »

The thing is that the billionaires spend their profits on sightseeing rockets whereas the governments use rockets to kill people.
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« Reply #12076 on: October 29, 2021, 05:20:23 am »

Or, they're making billions by manufacturing and selling rockets to governments all over the world to kill people.
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« Reply #12077 on: October 29, 2021, 05:23:39 am »

What does it mean when POTUS admits that his presidency is on the line? New snap election? VP taking over? One of the previous presidents taking over?

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Another day of busted deadlines, political malpractice and drained presidential authority on Capitol Hill ended with Joe Biden's one-two-punch on infrastructure and social spending stalled yet again. Even after Biden said his presidency was on the line and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned lawmakers not to "embarrass" him as he left on a big foreign trip, progressives still refused to back a bipartisan infrastructure bill they are using as leverage to secure the best possible terms in a watered down but still huge social spending plan.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/29/politics/congress-spending-bill-president-joe-biden-italy-g20-democrats/index.html
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« Reply #12078 on: October 29, 2021, 05:33:05 am »

Or, they're making billions by manufacturing and selling rockets to governments all over the world to kill people.

Not the two top billionaires. They were quicker to help with covid-19 than the government.

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Bezos said in late April that Amazon was investing $4 billion in coronavirus-protection efforts, including personal protective equipment for workers, enhanced cleaning at facilities, and development of its own COVID-19 testing capabilities.

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Tesla is among a group of automakers retooling facilities to build ventilators for the COVID-19 crisis. In the following video, the company provides a behind-the-scene look at its ventilator design process. Like Ford and General Motors, Tesla engineers are building its vent with parts for its vehicles. Tesla chief Elon Musk recently stated the car company’s New York factory will soon reopen to produce ventilators
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« Reply #12079 on: October 29, 2021, 05:38:14 am »

Are they the only two billionaires that matter?
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