US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Craig Lamson]

Okay. I checked today's WSJ and didn't see anything other than confirmation that the Senate Judicial Committee has authorized subpoenas for Facebook and Twitter. Apparently my subscription has expired, so I couldn't read the whole story to find out when they were scheduled to testify. I'll check again tomorrow.

Give it time.  Tomorrow might be a very interesting day

[Craig Lamson]

Apparently Allan disagrees.

Just trying to introduce some facts into the discussion started by Allan's erroneous belief as expressed in his comment.

Don't look now, but your insecurities are showing.

So Wilfred, your abilities now extend to knowing if I’m insecure?  You are simply amazing.

[Craig Lamson]

I may have missed it. Has Ron Johnson called this Bobulinski guy to come in in to testify before his committee. I can't remember which one it is? He said he was going to call in Twitter, Facebook, and the FBI. When are the hearings set for?

Bobulinski just held a press conference.  He is meeting with Johnson tomorrow and he is giving the FBI his electronic devices from the time frame in question.

I think Biden is going to need a lot of help going forward.

But then again it just might be some “insecurities” on my part.

[faberryman]

What I want to know ... did adults back in the 1980s actually think that space trvael could ever be like commercial jet travel?

Sure, even before the 1980s. Haven't you ever seen 2001: A Space Odyssey?

[faberryman]

Do you believe that as Vice-President with no political power of his own, Joe Biden was somehow capable of manipulating the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch, the European Union, the IMF, the World Bank, Ukrainian anticorruption groups, and the citizens of Ukraine in their pressing for the removal of a notoriously corrupt prosecutor? Where did that kind of incredible power come from? It appears that you do, as we have already been down this ridiculous and well trodden path before.

Did I mention the Illuminati? I'm pretty sure that's the key.

[faberryman]

Bobulinski just held a press conference.  He is meeting with Johnson tomorrow and he is giving the FBI his electronic devices from the time frame in question.

Wow. And I thought I had an old phone. My daughter's not going to believe this.

[Alan Klein]

So you also believe that Biden corruptly, through some mysterious hidden political power of his own, controlled the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor that was actually pursuing corruption cases, and then went and publicly bragged about it. For what reason? To show off this mysterious power that you believe that he had? You're living in a pure fantasy ideological dream world. You just ignore all of the pressure coming from many countries and financial institutions as that doesn't fit inside the bubble.

Your complete lack of knowledge regarding anything related to this topic is breathtaking. The IMF was threatening to withhold $40 Billion dollars of financial aid during this time period. The U.S. $1 Billion loan guarantee was a drop in the bucket by comparison. And the $1 Billion from the U.S. was a loan guarantee, not an arms deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/imf-warns-ukraine-halt-40bn-bailout-corruption-christine-lagarde

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/

So Biden is a lying braggart.   Well he is an admitted serial plagiarist too. Well,  those are better than being corrupt.

[Craig Lamson]

Wow. And I thought I had an old phone. My daughter's not going to believe this.

Looks like he is a smart man and had the forethought to cove his butt.

[Alan Klein]

Bobulinski just held a press conference.  He is meeting with Johnson tomorrow and he is giving the FBI his electronic devices from the time frame in question.

I think Biden is going to need a lot of help going forward.

But then again it just might be some “insecurities” on my part.

Biden will continue to be protected by the media. 

[Craig Lamson]

Biden will continue to be protected by the media.

The media, big tech and the Democratic Party appear to be colluding to withhold information from the American public to influence the election. 

They make Russia look like a piker.

[Alan Klein]

The media, big tech and the Democratic Party appear to be colluding to withhold information from the American public to influence the election. 

They make Russia look like a piker.

It's been going on for years.  Even before Trump.

[James Clark]

Bobulinski just held a press conference.  He is meeting with Johnson tomorrow and he is giving the FBI his electronic devices from the time frame in question.

I think Biden is going to need a lot of help going forward.

I dunno.. I'm still just not seeing it.  As best I can see, the big thing here is that Bobulinski is supposed to confirm that Hunter Biden tried to get Joe involved in some Chinese/US company... in 2017.   But from Biden's tax records we know Biden isn't an owner of any ventures in China, so....?

IS the takeaway that Joe said he never talked business with Hunter, so he lied about something that, so far as we can tell, never actually happened?   Assuming that's true, is it great?  No, not really, but I find it hard to believe that lying about intl. business deals is a disqualifier for Trump supporters.

[Craig Lamson]

I dunno.. I'm still just not seeing it.  As best I can see, the big thing here is that Bobulinski is supposed to confirm that Hunter Biden tried to get Joe involved in some Chinese/US company... in 2017.   But from Biden's tax records we know Biden isn't an owner of any ventures in China, so....?

IS the takeaway that Joe said he never talked business with Hunter, so he lied about something that, so far as we can tell, never actually happened?   Assuming that's true, is it great?  No, not really, but I find it hard to believe that lying about intl. business deals is a disqualifier for Trump supporters.

You keep coming back to taxes.  Do you think it’s possible the money is being hidden, or as the documents suggest, being held by others!

Heck maybe Biden has a Chinese bank account.

[faberryman]

You keep coming back to taxes.  Do you think it’s possible the money is being hidden, or as the documents suggest, being held by others!

Sure. Anything is possible. What have you got?

Heck maybe Biden has a Chinese bank account.

Sure. Anything is possible. What have you got?

[James Clark]

You keep coming back to taxes.  Do you think it’s possible the money is being hidden, or as the documents suggest, being held by others!

Heck maybe Biden has a Chinese bank account.

All technically possible, but that's speculation, and it would require that Biden doesn't even have the resources/smarts/etc. to do it "right," which is nonsensical.   What possible reason would he have to commit blatant tax fraud in 2017?  If it was future consideration being held back, so what? Equity is held back all the time.

[Alan Klein]

I dunno.. I'm still just not seeing it.  As best I can see, the big thing here is that Bobulinski is supposed to confirm that Hunter Biden tried to get Joe involved in some Chinese/US company... in 2017.   But from Biden's tax records we know Biden isn't an owner of any ventures in China, so....?

IS the takeaway that Joe said he never talked business with Hunter, so he lied about something that, so far as we can tell, never actually happened?   Assuming that's true, is it great?  No, not really, but I find it hard to believe that lying about intl. business deals is a disqualifier for Trump supporters.

Doing business with foreign countries as a private person is the American way.  Using your vice presidential position to enrich yourself or your family is an impeachable offense.

[Alan Klein]

You keep coming back to taxes.  Do you think it’s possible the money is being hidden, or as the documents suggest, being held by others!

Heck maybe Biden has a Chinese bank account.

Xi's holding it and won't give it to him until tariffs on China are dropped. 

[Robert Roaldi]

Using your vice presidential position to enrich yourself or your family is an impeachable offense.

Such delicious irony.

[Alan Klein]

All technically possible, but that's speculation, and it would require that Biden doesn't even have the resources/smarts/etc. to do it "right," which is nonsensical.   What possible reason would he have to commit blatant tax fraud in 2017?  If it was future consideration being held back, so what? Equity is held back all the time.

Who pays taxes on cash made under the table?  It's un-American.

[Alan Klein]

Such delicious irony.

Trump was never charged with enrichment nor impeached for it.  The irony is if Biden, a Democrat, is charged with it.