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deanwork

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9570 and P 9000
« on: April 26, 2020, 12:19:19 pm »

I’m sure I’ve missed something but what exactly is the advantage in the tech and performance of the 9570 over the p9000 ?

The former has the newer heads as used on the P1000 and is somewhat faster and contains the black overcoat. It’s 12 ink instead of 10 which is an improved gamut? The 9570 also has the auto black ink switching and the P9000 doesn’t?

I haven’t heard any great reports of the P 10000 and P 20k performing better in regard to nozzle clogs. I have heard that the P 9000 uses the same heads as the 9900s, correct?

Is there any improvement in gloss differential with the 9570 inkset with baryta type media. ?

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Re: 9570 and P 9000
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2020, 12:43:08 pm »

So far no real advantage over a scp9000 overall, i regret to say.
This however may change when issues are resolved.
I personally focus print quality first, then speed etc.
I AM looking forward to het the driver version 6.73 , as it resolves some of the issues reported.
W.r.t. gloss differential, my scp9000 is superior, i reported this issue to Epson.  Just using the Epson Premium Gloss paper used by Epson to declare my printer as fine working.  On this and several other gloss papers i notice a serious variation in gloss in a gradiënt from black to White. Also some false colors in the Grey and light Grey area. Whether this is exemplary or structural, is something Epson has to work out.
On Fine Art Matte papers i must say it is not bad at all.


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Re: 9570 and P 9000
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2020, 02:36:10 pm »

Sounds like you guys are the beta testers. I had thought the P10k was going to be their long researched ultimate fast  precise non clogging 44” machine, then they come out with this whole other series. I’d be afraid to buy any of them right now.



So far no real advantage over a scp9000 overall, i regret to say.
This however may change when issues are resolved.
I personally focus print quality first, then speed etc.
I AM looking forward to het the driver version 6.73 , as it resolves some of the issues reported.
W.r.t. gloss differential, my scp9000 is superior, i reported this issue to Epson.  Just using the Epson Premium Gloss paper used by Epson to declare my printer as fine working.  On this and several other gloss papers i notice a serious variation in gloss in a gradiënt from black to White. Also some false colors in the Grey and light Grey area. Whether this is exemplary or structural, is something Epson has to work out.
On Fine Art Matte papers i must say it is not bad at all.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2020, 04:31:04 am »

What the new machines (P10K and P9570 etc) do have is the UltraChrome Pro ink-set. This set includes a (according to Epson) newly-formulated yellow with enhanced longevity. Yellow has always been the pigment most prone to fading. Wilhelm Imaging have confirmed that the new yellow is a serious improvement. Also the dedicated MK and PK channels which means no switching is good.   
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Re: 9570 and P 9000
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2020, 10:39:20 am »

What the new machines (P10K and P9570 etc) do have is the UltraChrome Pro ink-set. This set includes a (according to Epson) newly-formulated yellow with enhanced longevity. Yellow has always been the pigment most prone to fading. Wilhelm Imaging have confirmed that the new yellow is a serious improvement. Also the dedicated MK and PK channels which means no switching is good.
Do you have confirmation the ink is the same as that of the SCP10000/20000?
I seriously doubt it, at least one appears to be different. I use the 20000 regularly, but have not run into the problems with gloss fine art I have on the 9500.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2020, 11:16:53 am »

The new yellow that is responsible for the improved fade data is also used in the P 9000, P8000,etc, etc. P series, right?

What is different in P 10k is the auto switching between MK and Pk which they promote as some radical innovation, when Canon and HP pioneered and offered that over 12 years ago, with no flushing, glitches or ink waste involved.

What the P10k and P20k do offer is an additional lighter gray which I thought would be fantastic for a true bw quad inkset within an Oem  full color inkset. But Epson suggested it was incorporated for making the greater speeds function with a smoother dither. I have never seen either Epson or anyone using these models suggest there is any real monochrome innovation there. It seems to be all about speed. I imagine if you use Studio Print you could, with effort and time, partition these inks in real precise ways but I don’t know anyone who is doing that. Maybe someone is....but you would think we would have heard about it by now.

The other thing is head clog performance. I haven’t read any evidence, yet, that these bigger heads are clogging less or lasting longer than the heads of the P9000 which are the same heads apparently as the 9900 series. I think maybe, someone can correct me, that the pump assembly was tweaked some.

I don’t own any of these so I’m just going on what people have reported in the last year. I’m very curious as to how these more robust heads pan out in the future.

I know one thing, the original Epson 10k of about 19 years ago when I started, had big super durable heads that were also used on the Roland Hi Fi machines. On the Rolands you could easily remove them and replace them yourself. They also had a “universal” Black that worked quite well on all media. And I never did nozzle checks because the nozzles were always clean, and I did a ton of work on flakey cotton rag that never seemed to clog the heads. All that changed when they went to the 9600 with the 2880 ppi smaller nozzles.

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Do you have confirmation the ink is the same as that of the SCP10000/20000?
I seriously doubt it, at least one appears to be different. I use the 20000 regularly, but have not run into the problems with gloss fine art I have on the 9500.
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2020, 11:46:34 am »

Do you have confirmation the ink is the same as that of the SCP10000/20000?
I seriously doubt it, at least one appears to be different. I use the 20000 regularly, but have not run into the problems with gloss fine art I have on the 9500.

No, I have no confirmation myself that the ink-set is the same in Px0000 and Px570. I have only used the P10000. But both the Px0000 and the Px570 are listed as using the "Ultrachrome Pro" ink-set so I had assumed they would be the same?

With regard the 'new' yellow, I am just going on Epson's announcements/marketing blurb.
When announcing the 'Pro' inks Epson said......
"The Pro formulation features improved Matte and Photo Black inks that provide an enhanced Dmax for brighter prints with an enhanced tonal range in both B/W and colour. It also features a new Yellow ink that provides further durability enhancement with increased UV light resistance"

And Wilhelm Institute says...
"....the greatly improved light stability of the new yellow provides a 2x to 3x improvement etc...."

Definitely the dedicated MK and PK channel is hardly a radical innovation and amazing that Epson is decades behind on that score.
 
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