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Caputre One 20 Workstation
« on: April 26, 2020, 11:12:39 am »

Dear Friends,
I need your help. I want to buy a new workstation for Capture One.
New Mac Pro or PC (AMD 3990X or 3970X)
Question is If C1 can utilize all cores? I don't want to waste my money.

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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2020, 03:17:01 pm »

Both CPUs are a waste of money for capture one. The 3900 or 3960 is good enough. 3900 vs 3960 is more 128Gb vs 256GB.

For capture one you won’t need more then 64GB. If you have the cash to burn invest it into a RTX2080 super or Ti. (Be aware the new gen will probably arrive summer)
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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2020, 08:15:56 pm »

I am facing major performance issues when exporting files with C1 Pro 20 on a very powerful Mac Pro 2019.

C1 has acknowledged this as a bug but cannot tell me when they will fix it.

I would not invest in a Mac Pro 2019 at this point for C1 Pro usage.

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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2020, 03:43:53 am »

It is a shame that market leaders are not able to use the potential of equipment that is already on the market. They always said they could literally do miracles, but there are no such fast machines yet. And it doesn't matter if we are talking about ADOBE, C1 or others. I expected Phase One to be up to the challenge. I even thought for a moment that these brainy boys would use the afterburner card for acceleration.
Exporting several thousand files a day will be a challenge. I would like to be ready for it.
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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2020, 04:58:32 am »

It is a shame that market leaders are not able to use the potential of equipment that is already on the market. They always said they could literally do miracles, but there are no such fast machines yet. And it doesn't matter if we are talking about ADOBE, C1 or others. I expected Phase One to be up to the challenge. I even thought for a moment that these brainy boys would use the afterburner card for acceleration.
Exporting several thousand files a day will be a challenge. I would like to be ready for it.
Thank you gentlemen

Yep, it's a real pity.

The afterburner idea also crossed my mind yes, although it seems to be designed for a very specific type of application.

For now my Mac Pro 2019 is slower than my Mac Pro 2013 when using C1 Pro... but much faster when using Lightroom.

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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2020, 08:21:35 am »

C1 Pro IMO has had lack luster performance since versions 12 and up.  If you utilize some of the better features like layers and the various masking tools, the more you create the slower the software becomes and on the IQ4 files the performance quickly becomes an issue, as you see the spinning color wheel more and more.

Love the software for what I can do, but I have complained to Phase One both directly and via my dealer on performance issues and had hoped to see something different with Vr 20, but it seems to have the same issues.  Note, I only use the session mode in C1.

I can't begin to justify the 14K, a new Mac Pro would cost, but have a 2017 old style MacPro, with 64GB of ram and 6 cores, with the dual Radeon cards. 

Performance on a i9 win10 machine seems to be better, especially in masking and drawing masks over the Mac version.  But Vr 20 has other issues with windows machines (at least mine).

Not sure anything will be done this year into next year until the current pandemic started to get controlled. 

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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2020, 08:50:24 am »

Not sure anything will be done this year into next year until the current pandemic started to get controlled. 


Impact is limited for software companies since they can work from home with limited disturbance. I know I work for one .;)

Besides Denmark is not too affected compared to many other countries.

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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2020, 10:11:33 am »

Probably Phase One have more income from subscriptions of C1 then from selling hardware. Problem is that they are focused on the semi-pro users who use Canon, Nikon, Fuji, etc. And they decide to optimize that software for most common computer setup like MacBook Pro. But they forget that theirs 150MP DB is a little bit more demanding, and for working with such files we need to use something more than a notebook witch is usually use by Instagram influencers.

And Yes, It's true. Here in Copenhagen, there are no signs that "HighTech" companies suffer during this "pandemic". Most people can work from home, or going to office. You can go for a walk to the park if you want. There is a lot of people on the streets. So in my humble opinion, developers (IT) can wok without any problems here.
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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2020, 10:17:19 pm »

It is a shame that market leaders
ouch, when did P1 start outselling Adobe ?
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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2020, 03:17:33 am »

ouch, when did P1 start outselling Adobe ?

"And it doesn't matter if we are talking about ADOBE, C1 or others."

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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2020, 11:40:19 am »

Impact is limited for software companies since they can work from home with limited disturbance. I know I work for one .;)

Besides Denmark is not too affected compared to many other countries.

Cheers,
Bernard

I agree. When your family members die, and you got sick yourself, and your spouse gets sick and kids are at home all day and the food runs out in the shops  and you’re not allowed out to see the sun, it doesn’t matter as long as you work for a software company.

Have you considered joining an autism support group? Up to now I thought I was just about the worst case heere, and now it looks like I’mmpretty much in the middle of the  spectrum and others here are way more extreme. Wait, maybe it’s not autism, maybe it’s a complete lack of empathy.

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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2020, 02:32:53 pm »

I agree. When your family members die, and you got sick yourself, and your spouse gets sick and kids are at home all day and the food runs out in the shops  and you’re not allowed out to see the sun, it doesn’t matter as long as you work for a software company.

Have you considered joining an autism support group? Up to now I thought I was just about the worst case heere, and now it looks like I’mmpretty much in the middle of the  spectrum and others here are way more extreme. Wait, maybe it’s not autism, maybe it’s a complete lack of empathy.

Edmund

Edmund,
I am very sorry if you lost someone in your family/among friends. These are very difficult times for everyone. Probably the consequences of this damn thing, we will feel for the next decade. I suggest you relax, each of us passes this period in a different way. Unfortunately, we have to go through this. We can't do anything.

Returning to the topic, the problem with the software does not result from the current situation, but negligence/decisions taken several months ago. And PhaseOne, if they wanted to, they would improve it, but they probably think that there is no point in doing this for a few users. (wasting resources)

Take care and Stay@Home
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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2020, 06:38:48 pm »

I agree. When your family members die, and you got sick yourself, and your spouse gets sick and kids are at home all day and the food runs out in the shops  and you’re not allowed out to see the sun, it doesn’t matter as long as you work for a software company.

Have you considered joining an autism support group? Up to now I thought I was just about the worst case heere, and now it looks like I’mmpretty much in the middle of the  spectrum and others here are way more extreme. Wait, maybe it’s not autism, maybe it’s a complete lack of empathy.

Edmund,

Apologies if that comment hurt you.

The reality is that, as unfair as it may seem, not all countries are affected to the same degree. In Japan for example life currently pretty much goes on as usual. I personally have had more work supporting asian clients than I would have had normally for reasons I won’t go into but they are related to helping out. The same pretty much applies to Denmark and results in a very different perception.

And even in France, in the midst of this terrible crisis that can affect anyone on a personnal level (two of my close friends got sick, fortunately they both recovered) some economic sectors are affected a lot more than others due to the nature of the activity. One of these 2 friends is the leas developper of a tiny software company doing medical imaging software and he has never been busier. He kept working 12 hours a day most of the time even while he was sick because that’s what he does.

So I don’t feel I am lacking empathy here. I have demonstrated elsewhere on LL that I am as concerned by this crisis as anybody else I believe. But I can understand it can be perceived that way from some places and through the magnifying glass of some situations.

More generally speaking, as of now, the world doesn’t end. Our work and life projects are going on. We must rebuild and continue to move forward. That may be one of the things I have learned in Japan after the tsunami in 2011. As I visited the places that had been hit the hardest. The enormous bravery of the people. Their ability to focus on rebuilding in the middle of unthinkable situations where loved ones and their homes were instantly swept away without any warning.
I agree with those who think that this is an opportunity to rethink many things, but I firmly believe that art, including photography, is part of the solution. That will still require tools that work, including Capture One Pro.

And I personally count on them to continue to help deliver to us the best in class solution we have been benefiting from thanks to their brilliance.

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Bernard
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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2020, 06:10:01 pm »

Hi
I hope you don't mind if I get back to the original question that has been asked.
I use an AMD 3960X workstation which I built in January, running W10 Pro (latest), with 128GB RAM, GeForce RTX2070 Super and plenty of space on a SSD-Raid.
C1 (latest) takes an average of 2,4 seconds to process, export and safe each file from an IQ4150, utilizing all available 24 cores of that processor.
Turning OpenCL on (Auto) or off doesn't make any difference for exporting files.
Lightroom and PS actually fly on that machine as well. It seems to me that Phase One and Adobe optimize their software for Windows first.
A new Mac Pro would have cost me about five times as much to buy similar hardware specs. But I must also admit that I am not a Mac specialist.

Hope that helps, take care during this crisis!

Jost
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Re: Caputre One 20 Workstation
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2020, 04:33:48 am »

Hi
I hope you don't mind if I get back to the original question that has been asked.
I use an AMD 3960X workstation which I built in January, running W10 Pro (latest), with 128GB RAM, GeForce RTX2070 Super and plenty of space on a SSD-Raid.
C1 (latest) takes an average of 2,4 seconds to process, export and safe each file from an IQ4150, utilizing all available 24 cores of that processor.
Turning OpenCL on (Auto) or off doesn't make any difference for exporting files.
Lightroom and PS actually fly on that machine as well. It seems to me that Phase One and Adobe optimize their software for Windows first.
A new Mac Pro would have cost me about five times as much to buy similar hardware specs. But I must also admit that I am not a Mac specialist.

Hope that helps, take care during this crisis!

Jost

Hi,
Thanks a lot. It's good information for me!

Take care!
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