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Redcrown

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Long live ACR.
« on: April 22, 2020, 03:24:44 pm »

Poor ACR, it just gets no respect. LuLa is the only forum I know that has a board dedicated to ACR, and here it sits with no posts since Feb 2. Over 2.5 months. So I'm posting just to give ACR a little love and bump the date.

I suspect old guys like me started long ago with Bridge/ACR and found little use for Lightroom. Our ACR skills are honed to a fine edge, so we don't have a lot of questions to ask. The younger Lightroom crowd, of course, are often dazed and confused so LR gets lots of action across all forums.

The old crowd also grew up on old and quite limited operating systems (anybody here know how to spell DOS?). We were forced to use file and folder names to organize things. And in the beginning, files and folders names were limited to 8 characters. That forced us to become excellent users of abbreviations. We are like squirrels who can find a nut we buried years ago with no help from a catalog.

So long live ACR, the only software that has the fewest questions and needs even fewer answers.
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2020, 03:33:53 pm »

So long live ACR, the only software that has the fewest questions and needs even fewer answers.
Yes and, as many will see in the near future (wink wink, nod nod), there will be plenty of ACR stuff to talk about.....
Chomping at the bit?  ;D
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2020, 04:11:11 pm »

I do not even have Lightroom on the machine these days.  I still much prefer ACR even though I often convert Fuji files in Irident X-Translator first.

Hmmm, totally curious as to what 'Digidog' is hinting about!

bob snow
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2020, 05:14:19 pm »

Yes and, as many will see in the near future (wink wink, nod nod), there will be plenty of ACR stuff to talk about.....
Chomping at the bit?  ;D

Curious - but I can't think of anything I need.

(Oh, they could freshen up the interface.)
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2020, 05:47:36 pm »

Well, I can think of a few improvements that can be included in LR/ACR such as:

- Ability to select a specific adjustment brush when you have two or more on top of each other
- Full HSL panel in the adjustment brushes
- Handling of Dark Frames

ACR and the develop module of LR are almost the same in capabilities, so maybe that's why there are not many dedicated sub-forums.

I watched a few videos last week of a "Photoshop Virtual Summit" and ACR & the ACR Filter in PS were heavily used by most of the instructors.

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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2020, 06:03:32 pm »

Also, having the ability to see an accurate histogram of the raw data would be very welcome

Dreams:
- 3D Gamut of the output image
- RGB parade & Vectorscope (as in video editors)

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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2020, 07:50:07 pm »

(anybody here know how to spell DOS?).

Nope.  But I can still speak a little CP/M    "PIP D:=C:\images\D800\*.jpg"
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2020, 03:14:04 am »

Curious - but I can't think of anything I need.

(Oh, they could freshen up the interface.)

Speed?

Jeremy
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2020, 08:51:52 pm »

I suspect old guys like me started long ago with Bridge/ACR and found little use for Lightroom. Our ACR skills are honed to a fine edge, so we don't have a lot of questions to ask. The younger Lightroom crowd, of course, are often dazed and confused so LR gets lots of action across all forums.

Well, I'm hardly young but I long ago made the transition from Bridge/ACR to Lightroom.  I'm curious, though: is there anything you can still do in ACR that isn't available in the Lightroom desktop version (a.k.a., LR "Classic")?  Or is the only difference the front-end user agent?  I was under the impression―from Jeff Schewe's book, I believe―that, functionally, the two products shared the same raw processing code.

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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2020, 08:54:03 pm »

I'm curious, though: is there anything you can still do in ACR that isn't available in the Lightroom desktop version (a.k.a., LR "Classic")? 
Kind of the opposite; things you can do in LR you can't in ACR. In terms of the Develop module functionality however, AFAIK, they are on parity because folks can bounce back and forth between the two for editing.
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2020, 09:25:27 pm »

You can’t do virtual copies in ACR, as this rely on the database

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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2020, 10:04:18 pm »

Some sort of a history panel to easily go back and forth between adjustment states would be very nice. It's one thing that's present in LR that I sorely miss when using ACR.
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2020, 10:09:45 pm »

You can’t do virtual copies in ACR, as this rely on the database

in ACR you can have snapshots though ...
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2020, 10:13:07 pm »

in ACR you can have snapshots though ...
Apples and oranges; not even close to the same functionality.
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2020, 10:27:17 pm »

Apples and oranges; not even close to the same functionality.
one can use symlinks to get closer... granted native functionality is better
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2020, 10:40:05 pm »

one can use symlinks to get closer... granted native functionality is better

"You can do all sorts of things that are fiendishly clever, then fall 
in love with them because they're fiendishly clever, while 
overlooking the fact that they take a great deal more work to obtain 
results that stupid people get in half the time. As someone who has 
created a lot of fiendishly clever but ultimately useless techniques 
in his day, I'd say this sounds like an example."
Bruce Fraser

And then there's LR's Proof Copies which are honored in the Print module (ACR can't even print).
So yeah, as outlined: You can’t do virtual copies in ACR, as this rely on the database.
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2020, 07:19:51 am »

Hi everyone. I also dont have I do not Lightroom so I am ok with it.
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2020, 07:54:07 am »

Speed?
I am a photoshop user, but like to develop in LR.
it is far more practical in developing series of raw images.

I think LR 9 takes full advantage of al cores of the processor+ uses the GPU;
so i have nothing to complain.

- about LR
the interface could be more refined. Looks a bit 1990's
if they introduce something as small local catalogues - as i use in MediaPro  - i would prefer that .
( media Pro is still the my no1- for culling, remaning and organizing; super flexible and useful)
If they make the enhanced detail part of the normal routine i would encourage that.
Still have problems with the transform module;  cannot get it back to the original state sometimes;

- i am afraid they are going to introduce AI
as much as i see the benefit, ( like topaz denoise AI a lot), i also see problems with AI to make it a standard, because of the stupid mistakes it often makes.
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2020, 12:15:59 pm »

I'm curious, though: is there anything you can still do in ACR that isn't available in the Lightroom desktop version (a.k.a., LR "Classic")?  Or is the only difference the front-end user agent?

The only thing I've noticed, which has more to do with the front-end UI code:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/we-need-point-curve-feature-parity-between-acr-lightroom-classic-and-a-better-ui

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ACR's UI for point curve manipulation is dramatically better than Lightroom Classic's:
  • in ACR, clicking a point doesn't accidentally move the point
  • in ACR, you can select a point by clicking it, and it remains selected
  • in ACR, selected points can be manipulated with the keyboard
  • in ACR, you can use Control-Tab to move between selected points
  • in ACR, once a point is selected you can edit it numerically by entering specific In/Out values
Additionally, the tone curve in LR doesn't even use the full width/height of the panel, which makes it terribly small on large displays!
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Re: Long live ACR.
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2020, 01:05:59 pm »

I was unaware of how the curve function works in ACR. Bring it two LR pronto. I have been going out to PS when I need precise curve adjustments.
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