PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political

[JoeKitchen]

Distasteful analogy, but if you must...

With your back-to-work mantra, you're the one who is proposing appeasement. You just want to lie back and let the virus rip. Where's your sense of fight?

Once again, we are basing our plans off of an unknown, namely anything to do with the virus. 

I'd rather make plans based on our known, that the economy will be destroyed. 

Even after 12 years of being in business, it still never ceases to amazes me how easily most get paralyzed by the fear of the unknown.  You make decisions on what you know, not what you cant learn or figure out. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... What do Serbians think about Trump?...

The Serbs love Trump.

[JoeKitchen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VS1vxfkACA&fbclid=IwAR0IYV1w9j3pVmphLTAEuuvqxGlA7zboFTi9nsVh1GE6f1oPAmh1wGIfGjU

"Germany Stands Up Against "Stay At Home/Lock In Place" Orders!!!"

Coming soon to a city near you!

Yeah, when the lovely governor of Michigan decides you should be able to buy plants and seeds during planting season, and sees nothing wrong with it, you know they already lost. 

[Rob C]

LOL Rob.  So a surveillance state is nothing to worry about.  Government will just use it for this and scrub all information off the mainframes once this is over. 

Snowden showed us pretty accurately that is not how government works.  They dont just give you back your rights when they take them.

Get used to it: your everything online is shared and/or sold to the highest bidder: it's part of the deal when you rush into print or buy online or require a driving licence, a medical card, an insurance policy. I never bank online, but those who do can find they have problems: you need very good security to play safe. You are product, been that way for years. Just look at the ads that pop up in your computer when you evince an interest in some sport, hobby or special interest. I have no idea why somebody thought me interested in Russian Ladies. I guess algorithms also fuck up now and again. But you get the drift: the good ship Privacy, she has sailed, señor.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Delusional much? I know there is no hope but I still think it's my duty to educate you....

That's the problem with doctors. Due to the God Complex, they think they are entitled to pontificate on everything else, outside their very narrow area of expertise.

[Peter McLennan]

But you get the drift: the good ship Privacy, she has sailed, señor.

Precisely.  If the <insert usual suspects here> think they have retained their privacy, yet use a smartphone, they are even more delusional than they appear here.

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[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... dying from a disease so easy to catch from the guy beside you...

Don't stand besides him... stay at home.

And let's not get hysterical about "so easy to catch."

In the four or five days before I got symptoms, I had a breakfast with my 68 year friend and a lunch with my 90-year old friend, who later drove me home in her car. None got infected.

[Rob C]

You said "take whatever measures possible to prevent dying."  Well, a peace deal with Hitler would have done just that. 

But thankfully the great people of Britain at the time did not care to give up their freedoms to Hitler.  I dont care to give up my freedoms just because of some virus that has a fatality rate a little higher then the flu.

Those "great people" were not the target, and their freedoms under threat, any more than were US ones under Hitler's threat. It took a lot of persuasion to get them, the Americans, to join in with the UK, and the UK had decided to take the fight to Hitler after his European invasions and grand adventures. That they thought they still had Victorian muscle was a big, almost fatal mistake.

If the difference between influenza and Corinna is so slight, I'm amazed that it's running riot across the entire world and killing thousands, doctors included, in such a short matter of time. Eat your heart out, 'flu!

[Manoli]

The Serbs love Trump.

Wasn’t Milosevic a Serb ?

[Rob C]

Don't stand besides him... stay at home.

And let's not get hysterical about "so easy to catch."

In the four or five days before I got symptoms, I had a breakfast with my 68 year friend and a lunch with my 90-year old friend, who later drove me home in her car. None got infected.

Maybe it was a breathless drive? Actually, we don't know if you really did have Corinna; apparently, you were not in hospital nor were you tested, if I remember correctly.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Wasn’t Milosevic a Serb ?

What he has to do with Trump?

[JoeKitchen]

Those "great people" were not the target, and their freedoms under threat, any more than were US ones under Hitler's threat. It took a lot of persuasion to get them, the Americans, to join in with the UK, and the UK had decided to take the fight to Hitler after his European invasions and grand adventures. That they thought they still had Victorian muscle was a big, almost fatal mistake.

If the difference between influenza and Corinna is so slight, I'm amazed that it's running riot across the entire world and killing thousands, doctors included, in such a short matter of time. Eat your heart out, 'flu!

Rob, this disease is nothing more then a beefed up flu no one has immunity to.  The fatality rate is pretty low when it come to horrible diseases. 

If you want to stay home and hid under your bed, go for it.  It makes more sense for you anyway. 

However, I'm not, and I'm not giving up any freedoms because of it without a fight.  This is one of the reasons I like that Trump is in office for this.  If a Dem were in office, he/she would be looking to take so much from us, or at least I am taking them at their word on it. 

[John Camp]

In all of this, I think it is important to look at Sweden, which has taken a completely different approach.  Many on here will say Sweden is screwed, but their deaths per million is on par with many other nations take much more draconian measures.

They simply are not doing any worse then many others, and yet they have managed to thread the needle much better then we have and the rest of the world.

It is time to get back to work, or at least those of us 60 and younger.  If you want to be a Chicken Little and stay locked up in your house, so be it.  But dont make your choice mine as well, because I am willing to risk getting it as opposed to loosing economically, which is exactly what will happen if we continue this.

Bloomberg, today:

"In all, 1,033 Swedes have died from Covid-19, official figures showed on Tuesday. Though still well below fatality rates in Italy and the U.K., it’s far worse than in any of the Nordic countries with which Sweden usually compares itself. The Swedish mortality rate is almost 10 times higher than in Finland, more than four times higher than in Norway, and twice Denmark’s."

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Maybe it was a breathless drive? Actually, we don't know if you really did have Corinna; apparently, you were not in hospital nor were you tested, if I remember correctly.

I heard that one before. Always coming from the lefties, who see the coronavirus (Corinna?! are you treating it as your new girlfriend? ) as inevitably fatal. They immediately dismiss the 98% percent of the population that survived it as 1. not coronavirus 2. the person must have superhuman genes.

It is a freaking severe flu. As I mentioned several times already, years ago I had a much worse seasonal flu - it really felt as if I am going to die.

[elliot_n]

OK, so to come out of the lockdown Americans will not accept a technological solution that utilises the tracking capabilities of smartphones. (We'll take that solution here in Europe - thank you Google and Apple).

So what are you going to do? Just let everyone go back to work and allow them to fend with the disease as they contract it?

How about mass testing before people go back to work? Perhaps a 14-day, legally-binding, quarantine for those who test positive?

And how about some old-fashioned contact-tracing? Could you quarantine the close contacts of the positives?

There's an assumption that everyone is raring to go back to work, but a lot of people are scared and will need reassurance that their workplace is safe.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Bloomberg, today:

"In all, 1,033 Swedes have died from Covid-19, official figures showed on Tuesday. Though still well below fatality rates in Italy and the U.K., it’s far worse than in any of the Nordic countries with which Sweden usually compares itself. The Swedish mortality rate is almost 10 times higher than in Finland, more than four times higher than in Norway, and twice Denmark’s."

Who cares? At least they didn't crash their economy and ruined lives of the 98% for the sake of few babushkas.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... There's an assumption that everyone is raring to go back to work, but a lot of people are scared and will need reassurance that their workplace is safe.

Nope. Those who are scared are already retired.

[JoeKitchen]

Bloomberg, today:

"In all, 1,033 Swedes have died from Covid-19, official figures showed on Tuesday. Though still well below fatality rates in Italy and the U.K., it’s far worse than in any of the Nordic countries with which Sweden usually compares itself. The Swedish mortality rate is almost 10 times higher than in Finland, more than four times higher than in Norway, and twice Denmark’s."

A few pertinent questions, compared to Sweden, how much international commerce is performed in Norway and Finland?  How many people actually visit Sweden vs how many visit Finland/Norway? 

I ask because although I have heard of Stockholm, I do not recognize any city in either Norway or Finland.  Could it be that Sweden has a higher rate of business visitors then either Finland and Norway with that being the main reason Sweden is worse then the other two? 

It really appears like international travel has a great effect on this outbreak. 

As I said before, you are retired, probably fully own your house, and have a higher savings then the vast majority of those who have been out of work.  You really cant relate to any of them at this point.  They want to get back to work.  You can stay inside if you want, but I'll be damn if I let this virus take me out financially. 

[chez]

Sure, but a hell of a lot less then communist propaganda.

Really...in what way. With communists it's out in the open...but with the great old USA...subtle and deadly...like a silent fart.

[John Camp]

Who cares? At least they didn't crash their economy and ruined lives of the 98% for the sake of few babushkas.

The voice of a true humanitarian.