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[Craig Lamson]

Must be a slow day for you guys to put in so much effort in defending Trump's height. When do you go back to work?

Not really much effort at all.  But a bit more work than reading a couple of lefty ct sites and waving your hands.

Worked today.  Starting a big project the end of next week.  June is full.

[Alan Klein]

OMG, you really believe this.   

Joe Biden is finished.  7 points behind on average in every single swing state. 

1.  He is senile.  Just look at videos of him 2 years ago vs. now and it is blatantly obvious. 

2.  His white knight persona has been shattered by the Tara Reid and Hunter Biden allegations, and it will only get worse. 

3.  Obamagate is going to energize the base. 

4.  He has consistently praised China, of which his past quotes will be used over and over again in commercials showing dead bodies and refrigerator trucks until the election. 

5.  He is the only candidate in modern history that campaigned on center issues during the campaign and then is going far left in the general.  This makes no sense what so ever.  The only reason he won was because they Dems had an "oh shit" moment that Bernie may win and then jumped on Biden, a moderate.  But now,  with him  going far left, he is going to alienate the moderate Dems. 

Biden has abandoned his "return to normalcy" campaign to be a far left one during a time when everyone just wants to return to normalcy, which Trump is now campaigning on. 

6.  The Dems have pretty much cornered themselves into the party of lockdowns, including Biden (with actual quotes to prove this) with the republicans opening country. 

The only way Trump can lose is if deaths skyrocket, the Dems then drop Biden, leap frog over Bernie, pick a moderate and convince mild Trump voters to switch parties.  That ain't happening though.  Keep your hopes up on deaths, but that is the only path to victory for the Dems. 

I predict a 50/50 chance CA will turn Red this election. 

You really need to be more objective. 

As I said previously, if the economy is on the upswing in November, voters are going to be hesitant to change horses midstream. The idea they're going to turn the economy over from a businessman who brought it back from a near disaster to an ex senator and VP who seems out to lunch, is unlikely.  Trump may be fat, obese, or whatever, but his take-charge energy and vibrancy cannot be denied. 

[Alan Klein]

Not really much effort at all.  But a bit more work than reading a couple of lefty ct sites and waving your hands.

Worked today.  Starting a big project the end of next week.  June is full.

I read today that RV's are up 450%.  Ask for a raise.

[chez]

As I said previously, if the economy is on the upswing in November, voters are going to be hesitant to change horses midstream. The idea they're going to turn the economy over from a businessman who brought it back from a near disaster to an ex senator and VP who seems out to lunch, is unlikely.  Trump may be fat, obese, or whatever, but his take-charge energy and vibrancy cannot be denied.

Take charge and quickly bail and blame someone else when things go wrong. That's the Trump we know and love.

[chez]

I read today that RV's are up 450%.  Ask for a raise.

Yep, the rich never have problems spending their money while the not so rich try to figure out how to put food on their tables...right Alan, isn't that what you've been preaching?

[Craig Lamson]

Yep, the rich never have problems spending their money while the not so rich try to figure out how to put food on their tables...right Alan, isn't that what you've been preaching?

I hate to burst your bubble but RVs are purchased by many different people with varying incomes.  But who should be surprised that chez is using a 5 foot wide brush to paint with.

[chez]

I hate to burst your bubble but RVs are purchased by many different people with varying incomes.  But who should be surprised that chez is using a 5 foot wide brush to paint with.

But weren't we just talking a few weeks ago people will be rioting in the streets because they can't provide food on the tables. Surely these "rioting" people will not be looking at RV's.

Tell me, how can someone afford buying an RV when they have only $600 in their bank accounts when the shutdown started...this was made public by Alan I believe. I think the figure bounced around was 40% of the people had less than $600'in their bank accounts. I would think an RV is totally out of the realms of the vast majority of residents of the USA...except for the privileged few. 

[Alan Klein]

Yep, the rich never have problems spending their money while the not so rich try to figure out how to put food on their tables...right Alan, isn't that what you've been preaching?

RV's are up because it's a safe way to travel and stay places during the virus.  There's was a guy I saw on TV today who started a website where you can rent from people who own RV's.  So there's not even a need to purchase. 

Also, never knock the rich. I remember years ago, the Democrats in congress didn't think it fair that the rich own expensive boats.  So they placed a huge excise tax on boats that cost over a certain amount.  That tax destroyed the American boating industry overnight putting thousands of workers out of work. No one was going to pay these huge taxes so they stopped buying new boats.   Within months, Congress reversed the law to save the industry and jobs.   

People who build RV's, cars, cell phones, or whatever have their jobs because someone is buying the products they make.  Why do you want to deny them their jobs and ability to put food on their tables? You're the one who got it wrong and wants to take food off their tables.  I believe we still make RV's in the US.  Do we want to lose those jobs to China too?

[Craig Lamson]

But weren't we just talking a few weeks ago people will be rioting in the streets because they can't provide food on the tables. Surely these "rioting" people will not be looking at RV's.

Tell me, how can someone afford buying an RV when they have only $600 in their bank accounts when the shutdown started...this was made public by Alan I believe. I think the figure bounced around was 40% of the people had less than $600'in their bank accounts. I would think an RV is totally out of the realms of the vast majority of residents of the USA...except for the privileged few.

You do understand, don’t you, that not all rvs are purchased new and many used ones are quite a bargain.  But you have gone all broad brush again.  Lots of people are going back to work, and if you have a job and decent or even semi decent credit you can buy things.

Sure there are those who won’t have the money, but it’s just just the privileged few who enjoy spending time with family camping in an rv.

It’s attractive to lots of folks now because they can get away and travel while taking their own living room, kitchen, bathroom a bedrooms with them, along with their own germs.

[LesPalenik]

I'm not surprised to see the upswing in buying RV's. Many people will be now hesitant to fly and stay in hotels. Taking a trip in a RV or a camper van you can maintain the social distance and have all the fun. Cheaper than a cruise, and no crowds.

[Alan Klein]

The politics of playing tennis in the age of coronavirus.
https://youtu.be/2l0snBHa7FQ

[Alan Klein]

I'm not surprised to see the upswing in buying RV's. Many people will be now hesitant to fly and stay in hotels. Taking a trip in a RV or a camper van you can maintain the social distance and have all the fun. Cheaper than a cruise, and no crowds.

Also, in case you're into photography like some nuts I know, you can get up early, take a picture of the sunrise in the woods, and go right back to sleep. 

[chez]

RV's are up because it's a safe way to travel and stay places during the virus.  There's was a guy I saw on TV today who started a website where you can rent from people who own RV's.  So there's not even a need to purchase. 

Also, never knock the rich. I remember years ago, the Democrats in congress didn't think it fair that the rich own expensive boats.  So they placed a huge excise tax on boats that cost over a certain amount.  That tax destroyed the American boating industry overnight putting thousands of workers out of work. No one was going to pay these huge taxes so they stopped buying new boats.   Within months, Congress reversed the law to save the industry and jobs.   

People who build RV's, cars, cell phones, or whatever have their jobs because someone is buying the products they make.  Why do you want to deny them their jobs and ability to put food on their tables? You're the one who got it wrong and wants to take food off their tables.  I believe we still make RV's in the US.  Do we want to lose those jobs to China too?

Put Alan you were here screaming about people only having $600'in their bank accounts when the shutdown occurred and how are these people going to feed their families. You claimed they will come out after 2 weeks and riot in the streets.

Now you are saying RV rentals are not too expensive? Have these people looking at ways to feed their families all of a sudden inherited a bunch from their mothers / fathers in full care homes that passed away from the virus.

I can see why you like the Trumpster...you change your views just as fast Trump does...on a dime.

[chez]

You do understand, don’t you, that not all rvs are purchased new and many used ones are quite a bargain.  But you have gone all broad brush again.  Lots of people are going back to work, and if you have a job and decent or even semi decent credit you can buy things.

Sure there are those who won’t have the money, but it’s just just the privileged few who enjoy spending time with family camping in an rv.

It’s attractive to lots of folks now because they can get away and travel while taking their own living room, kitchen, bathroom a bedrooms with them, along with their own germs.

Sure...from how do we feed our families to how can I buy an RV.

[chez]

Also, in case you're into photography like some nuts I know, you can get up early, take a picture of the sunrise in the woods, and go right back to sleep.

I travel to experience different cultures, different people, different food, different religions etc... Waking up and seeing my reflection when I cone out of my RV has very little appeal. My trips to a bunch of foreign lands has woken up my views of other cultures and how different they are...but how much the same people are everywhere.

[LesPalenik]

Or instead of a RV, buy a canoe and a tent, and take a drive to Ontario lake country. No corona viruses lurk there.

[Alan Klein]

Put Alan you were here screaming about people only having $600'in their bank accounts when the shutdown occurred and how are these people going to feed their families. You claimed they will come out after 2 weeks and riot in the streets.

Now you are saying RV rentals are not too expensive? Have these people looking at ways to feed their families all of a sudden inherited a bunch from their mothers / fathers in full care homes that passed away from the virus.

I can see why you like the Trumpster...you change your views just as fast Trump does...on a dime.

I never said those things.  You're confusing me with someone else. In any case, not everyone is out of work.  People are still buying cars, RV's, cameras, and other things.  Actually, we're saving more money now than before because we're not spending anything now on extras. My wife and I don't go out to eat, go to movies, pizza parlors, ice cream parlors, or vacations.  We're fortunate as we continue to get our Social Security and Pensions.  But there are a lot of people who are in terrible straits.  But what does that have to do with others buying things?  Not everyone is out of work.  I really don't understand your point.  Maybe you can explain.

By the way, the RV's I like are too expensive and I wouldn't buy one.  I'd rather stay in a hotel when I travel.  Well, that's what my wife tells me is better. 

[Craig Lamson]

Sure...from how do we feed our families to how can I buy an RV.

Not everyone was broke, and and that’s still the case.  Last year alone over 400k people found a way to buy a new rv, and a good percentage of them traded in a used one that someone else bought.  It’s going to come close to that again this year.

Time for you to get real, if it’s possible.

[chez]

I never said those things.  You're confusing me with someone else. In any case, not everyone is out of work.  People are still buying cars, RV's, cameras, and other things.  Actually, we're saving more money now than before because we're not spending anything now on extras. My wife and I don't go out to eat, go to movies, pizza parlors, ice cream parlors, or vacations.  We're fortunate as we continue to get our Social Security and Pensions.  But there are a lot of people who are in terrible straits.  But what does that have to do with others buying things?  Not everyone is out of work.  I really don't understand your point.  Maybe you can explain.

By the way, the RV's I like are too expensive and I wouldn't buy one.  I'd rather stay in a hotel when I travel.  Well, that's what my wife tells me is better. 

Don't know if it was Joe or you...or both, but there was definitely conversation about people staying shut down for only 2 weeks and then shit will hit the fan as their families go hungry. I'm not going to look at your thousands post history Alan, but I'm sure you were one that was saying such things.

As it turned out, two months later and I have not heard of anyone starving to death.

[chez]

Not everyone was broke, and and that’s still the case.  Last year alone over 400k people found a way to buy a new rv, and a good percentage of them traded in a used one that someone else bought.  It’s going to come close to that again this year.

Time for you to get real, if it’s possible.

I am real. For all those 400K privileged people...how many more do you feel are living below the poverty line. Remember the two weeks of lock down before people become desperate and come out with guns in order to feed their families. You crowed all about this a couple months ago...like you really cared about those desperate.

The rich always have money...in fact they make money during times like this. It's the poor that always suffer.