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Craig Lamson

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #460 on: April 09, 2020, 07:16:37 pm »

Really, you watch politics in Canada. Man you must live a boring life.

It pops up in the news from time to time, and I read news a lot.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #461 on: April 09, 2020, 07:31:43 pm »

But look at Japan.  They are doing better then most with little being done.  Like I said, there are measures that need to be take, but a full lockdown is not it.  After these models keep on getting proven wrong day after day, it is time to start going out and back to work. 

I urge you not to draw such conclusions based on the Japanese example.

There is a high possibility that the low rate of contagion here is absolutely not a proof that social isolation isn't needed, but more probably the consequence of some specific factor such as the high rate of BCG vaccination. Besides, you have to understand that cultural aspects enforce a form of social isolation in Japan even when people meet: they don't kiss, hug, shake hands, always keep a certain physical distance, often wear masks,...
 
You are really playing a dangerous game Joe. Seriously. Stop before you cause more issues.

Isolation is the only solution. It can be done in several ways:
- complete lock down
- targeted lock down. This can be done in different ways but they all require huge resources to identify infected people (the wide spread on-going testing is the right approach) and isolate the millions that will be found to be contagious/at risk. That's basically a wide spread extension of the cluster approach. Options include:
  - complete isolation including from family members.
  - Or full families with one infected person must be fully isolated from the rest
  - full isolation of people at risk - probably impossible considering the amount of people at risk
  - ...

You have to understand that this is not going away.


You have to understand that by being a transmission agent you are putting others at risk.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #462 on: April 09, 2020, 07:39:51 pm »

We had vents and masks and ppe, just not enough to make up for the lack of planning is some of hte individual states.  The Stockpile was depleted in 09 by Obama and not refilled. If you want to blame Trump for not doing it after he was elected, thats fair but you need to ask if he was even told.  Tests had to be made to match the virus and that had to wait for samples, which were not easy to get.  Then the CDC screwed up the test kit and then the FDA had regs in place making it difficult to near impossible to have outside testing done. There was a team in Washington State  ready to do just that and the FDA said no. That cluster continued until Trump nuked the rules.  So you want to blame Trump for that.

Yes, the main reason for such high infection rate in USA was delayed testing and government red tape in not allowing private lab to do the testing.
To blame just CDC is a cop-out, there were specific individuals there who caused it and they should be fired and made accountable.
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« Reply #463 on: April 09, 2020, 07:49:47 pm »

To blame just CDC is a cop-out, there were specific individuals there who caused it and they should be fired and made accountable.
Every department in every country is making mistakes, some more serious than others. There is no manual for this.
Is there really a point in sacking experienced people in their department and bringing in someone with no experience in the portfolio?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #464 on: April 09, 2020, 07:55:37 pm »

Every department in every country is making mistakes, some more serious than others. There is no manual for this.
Is there really a point in sacking experienced people in their department and bringing in someone with no experience in the portfolio?

Geez, can we do this with the commander in chief? Ok...maybe in November. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #465 on: April 09, 2020, 08:02:01 pm »

Yes, the main reason for such high infection rate in USA was delayed testing and government red tape in not allowing private lab to do the testing.
To blame just CDC is a cop-out, there were specific individuals there who caused it and they should be fired and made accountable.

The CDC failed in its first attempt to put out a reliable test.  I have no idea who caused it and I’ve not read anything that names names.  That really hurt us
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #466 on: April 09, 2020, 08:15:49 pm »

Every department in every country is making mistakes, some more serious than others. There is no manual for this.
Is there really a point in sacking experienced people in their department and bringing in someone with no experience in the portfolio?

Obviously, some of those "experienced" people were incompetent or bad decision makers. It would be wise to replace them with more competent people from within the organization or bring in new experts.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #467 on: April 09, 2020, 08:21:57 pm »

Few years ago before pot was legal there was this older fellow who grew pot and sold some to supplement his pension. He guarded his acerage using bears that he domesticated by feeding them sweets and fish. When he got busted he was charged under the wildlife act for endangering wildlife...nothing for his pot.
Was he charged with endangerment because he let the bears smoke his pot?

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« Reply #468 on: April 09, 2020, 08:46:02 pm »

Was he charged with endangerment because he let the bears smoke his pot?

He should have been charged also with tax avoidance. No sales, income, or payroll taxes were submitted to Revenue Canada.

Police suspected the animals were being used to guard the site, where they uncovered 2,300 marijuana plants. The bruins were clearly exploited, putting in many hours of patrolling the property for a few bags of measly dog food. However, the main problem was the high population density (of bears). At one time, there were 26 black bears roaming the property. Some of the younger bears were not feeling safe there.

It's too late to do anything about it now. This crime was committed in 2010, and thus the statue of limitation for employing bears without social insurance cards in the farming sector has expired.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #469 on: April 09, 2020, 08:49:09 pm »

He should have been charged also with tax avoidance. No sales, income, or payroll taxes were submitted to Revenue Canada.

Police suspected the animals were being used to guard the site, where they uncovered 2,300 marijuana plants. The bruins were clearly exploited, putting in many hours of patrolling the property for a few bags of measly dog food. However, the main problem was the high population density (of bears). At one time, there were 26 black bears roaming the property. Some of the younger bears were not feeling safe there.

It's too late to do anything about it now. This crime was committed in 2010, and thus the statue of limitation for employing bears without social insurance cards in the farming sector has expired.
That's funny.  I always found it made me hungrier.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #470 on: April 09, 2020, 08:51:48 pm »

Just when gasoline is so cheap, there's no place to go.


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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #471 on: April 09, 2020, 08:58:26 pm »

I don't think any of the medical experts knows their ass from a hole in the ground, and the media's wet dream of destroying the economy is just not going to come.

There you have it, Rob.  Total validation of your previous post.  Discussion here is futile.

It's quite simple, really.  These guys <insert usual suspects here> simply know more than anybody.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #472 on: April 09, 2020, 09:19:08 pm »

There you have it, Rob.  Total validation of your previous post.  Discussion here is futile.

It's quite simple, really.  These guys <insert usual suspects here> simply know more than anybody.

And yet, everyday comes and goes and we discover the models were wrong yet again.  LOL

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #473 on: April 09, 2020, 09:36:12 pm »

And yet, everyday comes and goes and we discover the models were wrong yet again.  LOL

OK...if not the model...what do you propose guides our decision going forward. Our fearless leader's hunches?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #474 on: April 09, 2020, 09:37:07 pm »

There you have it, Rob.  Total validation of your previous post.  Discussion here is futile.

It's quite simple, really.  These guys <insert usual suspects here> simply know more than anybody.

It’s a shared delusion.
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« Reply #475 on: April 09, 2020, 09:38:58 pm »

OK...if not the model...what do you propose guides our decision going forward. Our fearless leader's hunches?

As the models change and it become obvious that what we based our draconian plans off of were wrong, it is prudent to reassess our draconian plans.  Pretty simple. 
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« Reply #476 on: April 09, 2020, 09:39:45 pm »

It’s a shared delusion.

Just like this is great advertising and marketing.   ;)

A still TV advert right out of 1960.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #477 on: April 09, 2020, 09:42:52 pm »

And yet, everyday comes and goes and we discover the models were wrong yet again.  LOL


Lots of guessing going on.  Everyone's guessing.  There's no script. It's like going to the track.  Lot's of statistics on the horse, trainer, jockey, etc.  But making heads or tails of it all is a lot of luck.

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« Reply #478 on: April 09, 2020, 09:45:33 pm »

Just like this is great advertising and marketing.   ;)

A still TV advert right out of 1960.

Yeah.  It’s not good.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #479 on: April 09, 2020, 09:45:46 pm »

Just like this is great advertising and marketing.   ;)

A still TV advert right out of 1960.
Well, he got his plugs way back when.
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