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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2020, 03:36:06 pm »

What are the specs of your MacBook Pro?

I have a new one:
16” 2019
2.4 GHz 8 Core I9
32 Gb 2667 MHz DDR4

If they are the same or similar and we use the same file and process we can do a comparison.

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2020, 03:52:33 pm »

What are the specs of your MacBook Pro?

I have a new one:
16” 2019
2.4 GHz 8 Core I9
32 Gb 2667 MHz DDR4

If they are the same or similar and we use the same file and process we can do a comparison.

Thanks but it’s a MacPro 2019 (the desktop tower) not a macbook.

It has 16 cores, 384GB ram and 2 GPU with 32GB each. I suspect a bug with the GPU profiles or something of the sort.

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Bernard

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2020, 04:19:15 pm »

Oops. Should have worn my reading glasses.
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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2020, 09:10:35 pm »

Oops. Should have worn my reading glasses.

No worries.

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Bernard

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2020, 08:04:16 am »

Thanks but it’s a MacPro 2019 (the desktop tower) not a macbook.

It has 16 cores, 384GB ram and 2 GPU with 32GB each. I suspect a bug with the GPU profiles or something of the sort.

Cheers,
Bernard


Did you test the GPU in with other GPU-intensive software?
ptGUi for instance?
there are also programs like Geekbech to test the GPU perfomance...
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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2020, 09:33:07 am »


Did you test the GPU in with other GPU-intensive software?
ptGUi for instance?
there are also programs like Geekbech to test the GPU perfomance...

Yes, GPU seems to behave as expected.

Ptgui generates 4Gb stitches in less than 20s.

Benchmark results are within 2-3% of expectations.

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Bernard

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2020, 09:49:46 am »

OK then it is upto Phase-one as was expected.
They should take this serious, I am sure you are not alone in this.

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2020, 07:06:58 am »

Just came across this :

https://blog.macsales.com/60773-why-is-my-mac-hanging-when-copying-files-after-upgrading-to-macos-catalina-10-15-4/

It might be of importance to you Bernard...  I could not find your other thread aboth the thunderblade - so i put it here.
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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2020, 09:52:53 am »

Just came across this :

https://blog.macsales.com/60773-why-is-my-mac-hanging-when-copying-files-after-upgrading-to-macos-catalina-10-15-4/

It might be of importance to you Bernard...  I could not find your other thread aboth the thunderblade - so i put it here.

Thanks a lot, much appreciated!

10.5.4 seems to have been one of the worse OSX patches in recent years...

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Bernard

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2020, 05:39:03 pm »

Fyi C1 has acknowledged this as a bug.

But there is no clear plan when it can be corrected.

I would strongly advise all current desktop mac C1 users to either wait until mac pro 2019 purchase or consider moving to another raw converter. Lightroom is very fast on the new Mac Pro as exoected.

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Bernard 

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2020, 08:43:14 am »

I have a 2017 iMacPro with 63GB RAM, 2TB internal SSD and Radeon Pro Bega 56 8GB graphics card running Catalina. I've been using Capture One Pro 20 since the beta release.

One easy recommendations is in C1P Preferences to turn both Open CL settings from the default of Auto to Never. This was recommendation from C1 support a few versions ago to stop sluggish performance. It worked.

Now that I have the latest version of C1P installed, I turned the Open CL settings back to Auto. I have not noticed any difference in performance since doing that.

I have found that a big issue is where you store your C1P catalogs. I have them installed on my internal SSD. I use a reference folder file structure. My 6 TB of image files reside on a OWC ThunderBlade SSD external drive connected via Thunderbolt2. I'm very happy with my setup.

Another important issue, especially if you are coming from Lightroom. C1P does not handle large catalogs like LR. When I converted to C1P about three years ago, my LR catalog referenced about 130k+ images. C1P choked on the import of this catalog. I ended up splitting my catalog in to separate catalogs for each 2-3 years of images. A nice feature of C1P is that you can have multiple catalogs open at the same time, unlike LR. However, have separate catalogs limits your ability to search across your whole image catalog.

I'm a hobbyist, so I generate about 10k images a year. If you keep your C1P catalogs under 20k images, they will remain responsive.

The speed of your drives is also an important function in overall performance. Prior to the OWD ThunderBlade drive, I used a 4-bay OWC ThunderBay4 with fast 4TB drives in RAID 0 configuration. The average read/write speeds of the ThunderBay4 was about 500-600 MPS. The OWC ThunderBlade 8TB SSD drive has average read/writes speeds to 1,900-2,000 MPS which is similar to the iMac Pro internal SSD speeds. It flies!

For those considering converting from Lightroom to C1P, do it! The image quality is better and I've found that the program is so capable that I no longer use expensive plugins like NIK or others. B&W conversion is awesome too. I print to my Epson P800 from within C1P. The C1P print function is very usable, but not as elegant or feature rich as the LR Print Module. I find this a minor issue compared to all of the other benefits of C1P.

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Bud James

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2020, 06:01:34 pm »

Thanks but I tried all that...

- C1 pro has been my main converter for many years, but I still use LR for Hassy files
- on my Mac Pro 2013 the performance was much better when using GPU (auto mode)
- on the mac pro 2019 I see no difference
- My catalog resides on my main internal SSD with read/write speed of 2500 MB/s
- I tried with my images stored on that ssd and on my external raid 6 unit, no difference of performance when exporting images, it takes 25s per GFX-100 tiff in both cases which is 5 times slower than LR

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Bernard

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2020, 05:43:35 am »

Coming back the the Raid0 SSD solution you tried from OCW.
I just have a 50€ PCI card installed in my Hackintosh with two samsung 970 EVO 1TB. ( can use 4 on it)  - total cost = 175*2+50 €   
It does 4300mb/ sec. (- one is doing 2500MB/sec)
I still work with 32 Gig Ram; my money is limited and i see there is no real bottleneck there - i can even open an occasional 30GB panorama in 40 sec if necessary.
But loading and saving quantities of the normal GB-files i use cannot be fast enough.
At the moment AMD is making very nice and cheap multicore processors- there flagship is 64 core and costs 4000€  (3990X) and uses PCI-4.0.
Intel is alarmed and has slammed their prices by a factor 2. But those processors are all sold out at the moment...
ergo: the MacPro is too expensive for what it delivers- except for some high end finalcut pro users- but even they like to use the 64 core AMD.

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2020, 02:24:35 am »

I just have a 50€ PCI card installed in my Hackintosh with two samsung 970 EVO 1TB. ( can use 4 on it)  - total cost = 175*2+50 €   
It does 4300mb/ sec. (- one is doing 2500MB/sec)

Hi Pieter,

Care to share exactly what PCI card you're using here? I'm tempted to purchase one of these......

Cheers,
Jaap.
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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2020, 05:33:34 am »

not 100% sure for my Hackintosh is made by an expert...not by me...
but 95% sure...    ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2

it costs only 50-60€ and it works on my computer on an Asus PRIME_X299-DELUXE motherboard- a PCI 3.0.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0863KK2BP

of course you need a fresh 16x slot and a cpu that can handle enough pci-lanes to get the 100% performance

that is why it is better to choose a cpu with many PCI-lanes. video =16 this card makes it already 32
every m2 needs 4 lanes like thunderbolt3/ usb 3.2 ...
my CPU has 44 lanes... not too much.
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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2020, 09:21:51 am »

Thank you Pieter, most helpful!
Yes, the board is indeed a hungry PCI lane consumer.

Cheers,
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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2020, 09:19:12 am »

Unfortunately it looks like 20.1 is not improving on this Mac Pro 2019 performance issue...

Becoming very disappointed in Capture One.

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Re: Very poor performance of c1 Pro on new Mac Pro 2019
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2020, 11:09:17 am »

Unfortunately it looks like 20.1 is not improving on this Mac Pro 2019 performance issue...

Becoming very disappointed in Capture One.

Regards,
Bernard

I guess they were very busy with the new plans for Nikon ed and the upgrade- hope they now have time to address your problem.
BTW i got diappointed in Phase one for they sold me MediaPro SE and just a month later stopt the support for 64 bit systems.
They now even say you can use it upto OSX 13.3 ; that means half a year before i bought it....

PS have you seen this?
https://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2020/20200518_1320-MacPro2019-kernel-panics.html
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