COVID-19 | science, damage limitation, NO POLITICS

[Jeremy Roussak]

There is plenty of such evidence. Just google "long term health effects of covid 19". 
Below is an excerpt of an article from Science Magazine.

The article is replete with speculation but provides no evidence to support the assertion you made. Maybe they all drink milk.

Jeremy

[Alan Klein]

Interesting reporting in the New York Times by Julian Barnes and Michael Venutolo-Mantovani about the attempts by intelligence operatives reporting to China, Russia, and Iran to collect information about corporate and academic research into the creation of a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine and the counterespionage efforts to thwart them.

The Chinese have been stealing us blind for years.  Then selling back knockoffs to us putting our own companies out of business.  Maybe they're getting even for the pasta formula the Italians stole from them. 

[chez]

The Chinese have been stealing us blind for years.  Then selling back knockoffs to us putting our own companies out of business.  Maybe they're getting even for the pasta formula the Italians stole from them.

Well you can either blame China for their cheap knockoffs, or you can blame the American people for buying the cheap knockoffs. Sort of like drugs...blame the drug lords, or blame the people craving the drugs.

[Alan Klein]

Well you can either blame China for their cheap knockoffs, or you can blame the American people for buying the cheap knockoffs. Sort of like drugs...blame the drug lords, or blame the people craving the drugs.

Somehow you always miss the point.  They stole the patents and formulas.  That's the issue.  They're thieves.  If someone copied your photograph and sold it, you'd blame the buyer?  How does anyone know its stolen? 

[LesPalenik]

The article is replete with speculation but provides no evidence to support the assertion you made. Maybe they all drink milk.

Jeremy

Googling for "Covid-19 long term effects" resulted in 2,700,000,000 hits (soon over 3 billions), and I quoted only the first few links I found. Some of the other sources will provide more concrete evidence. No doubt, more group studies and observations are being done all the time, and there are also plenty of personal reports describing the lingering effects of the virus.

Personally, I will continue to do my best to minimize visiting public spaces and avoiding crowds. As to the milk, the Chinese government is indeed pushing people to drink milk to get more protein and thus allegedly increase the body immunity. That's about as effective as eating tiger penis to increase male virility.

[chez]

Somehow you always miss the point.  They stole the patents and formulas.  That's the issue.  They're thieves.  If someone copied your photograph and sold it, you'd blame the buyer?  How does anyone know its stolen?

No I got the point...but if no one would buy the cheap knockoff, there would be no market. That's the point I'm getting at. The vast majority of Americans don't care if the design was ripped off...as long as it's cheap.

Put it this way. How many people own the $1,000+ American made RRS tripods versus the much cheaper versions from Asia? The people have a choice and they always vote with their wallets...not their ethics.

[Robert Roaldi]

From the podcast intro blurb

"Northwell Health in New York has treated more Covid-19 patients than any other hospital system in the country. CNN’s Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta talks to Northwell CEO Michael Dowling about the important lessons his team learned throughout the crisis."

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9vbW55LmZtL3Nob3dzL2Nvcm9uYXZpcnVzLWZhY3QtdnMtZmljdGlvbi9wbGF5bGlzdHMvcG9kY2FzdC5yc3M/episode/YjVjNGI5NzItMDkwOC00M2U5LTgwZjUtYWMyNzAxNmQxY2I0

[John Camp]

Maybe I'm being naive, but why would any country, for any reason, try to conceal the process of developing a vaccine? I personally think about 99% of "secret" stuff, classified stuff, shouldn't be, and vaccine development would certainly fall in the 99%. If the US develops a vaccine, and somebody in India "steals" it and saves a few million lives with it, more power to them. I think every step of vaccine development should be published on public forums for everybody to see and use if they can. Pretending that this is a "war" that somebody can "win" is nonsense, but not harmless nonsense.

[Alan Klein]

Competition incenticizes discovery.   If you allow theft,  no one would bother spending their money to develop it. If they decide to develop anyway, you'd certainly slow down the discovery time defeating what you want to accomplish. More people would die and get sick,  not less.

[Alan Klein]

Another Socialist dream.  Making everyone and every company equal.  Everyone does nothing as there's no incentive. Then you become like Venezuela and the Soviet U union,  losing your liberty as well.

[Robert Roaldi]

Competition incenticizes discovery.   If you allow theft,  no one would bother spending their money to develop it. If they decide to develop anyway, you'd certainly slow down the discovery time defeating what you want to accomplish. More people would die and get sick,  not less.

What silly ideological nonsense. As if developing a vaccine against a globally dispersed virus was equivalent to competing for your grocery dollars.

Maybe every city or state or county even should develop their own strategies and vaccines, ignore worldwide medical evidence, only measure what happens in your backyard, that'll work. FFS.

[Alan Klein]

We're getting into politics which of course is impossible to avoid when you discuss policy.   Same Greek root word.  Poli.

In any case, feel good policy doesn't work.  Competition and profit motive wil get a vaccine out a lot quicker.

[chez]

We're getting into politics which of course is impossible to avoid when you discuss policy.   Same Greek root word.  Poli.

In any case, feel good policy doesn't work.  Competition and profit motive wil get a vaccine out a lot quicker.

Well it looks like both Russia and China have a vaccine ready...so much for your for profit is the best way always.

[Alan Klein]

Well it looks like both Russia and China have a vaccine ready...so much for your for profit is the best way always.

Both countries have free markets with billionaire owners and private companies who are rich because of capitalism and profits.  If their vaccines are effective, they stand to make billions.  What's your point?  Russia isn't the Soviet Union and China isn't the economic China under Mao.

[chez]

Both countries have free markets with billionaire owners and private companies who are rich because of capitalism and profits.  If their vaccines are effective, they stand to make billions.  What's your point?  Russia isn't the Soviet Union and China isn't the economic China under Mao.

Weren't you the one that brought up "another socialist dream"? If those two countries are not Socialist based, who is?

[Alan Klein]

Weren't you the one that brought up "another socialist dream"? If those two countries are not Socialist based, who is?

Russia is capitalist and more of a Plutocracy.  China has some government owned industry.  But even those are run for profit and the money goes to corrupt Communist party officials. The rest of the country runs more or less capitalistically and free markets since around 1990.  Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea are more Socialist or Communist.  But even there, there is a small group of so-called socialist at the top that steal from the country leaving everyone else poor and destitute as well a devoid of political, social and economic liberty.

I don't think you'd be happy in those latter places.

[chez]

Russia is capitalist and more of a Plutocracy.  China has some government owned industry.  But even those are run for profit and the money goes to corrupt Communist party officials. The rest of the country runs more or less capitalistically and free markets since around 1990.  Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea are more Socialist or Communist.  But even there, there is a small group of so-called socialist at the top that steal from the country leaving everyone else poor and destitute as well a devoid of political, social and economic liberty.

I don't think you'd be happy in those latter places.

I've been to Cuba numerous times. I'd have no problem living there. I'm sure your views of these places are tainted by the usual ani-Cuba propaganda that is thrown around and not by first hand experience of any kind.

[Alan Klein]

I've been to Cuba numerous times. I'd have no problem living there. I'm sure your views of these places are tainted by the usual ani-Cuba propaganda that is thrown around and not by first hand experience of any kind.

I've never been to prison either for first hand experience.  But, I'd rather not be there either.

[chez]

I've never been to prison either for first hand experience.  But, I'd rather not be there either.

So you equate living in Cuba as being thrown in prison. Yep...that propoganda machine is in full swing.

[Jeremy Roussak]

So you equate living in Cuba as being thrown in prison. Yep...that propoganda machine is in full swing.

You can learn how to spell while suspended from posting. Which part of NO POLITICS do you fail to understand?

Jeremy