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Manoli

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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2020, 05:19:30 am »

There is little that is certain and it's currently assumed that once ambient temperatures rise above 26C (80F), the virus will begin to dissipate. It's a bold assumption and not a given. What is safe(r) to assume though is that areas of high humidity provide the environment that allows the virus to fester..

If that is indeed so, it raises the question as to whether the virus can be transmitted via mosquito, as is the case with Dengue and the West Nile Virus

If so, obviously, added high risk in an ongoing pandemic.
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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2020, 05:21:15 am »

After lunch, yesterday, I walked to the supermarket to see what was cooking and whether I could think of anything I needed in case I get isolated more than usual. Looking at the pasta shelves, there was lot's of every kind of pasta except spaghetti, of which there was none! Now that must be a good sign of what sells here or not. I didn't check out the toilet rolls, but as most loos here have bidets, I don't see the need for any emergency buying of that product for Europeans. Maybe non-Europeans will wash their feet more often if they have one. ;-)

Strange times.

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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2020, 05:23:23 am »

There is little that is certain and it's currently assumed that once ambient temperatures rise above 26C (80F), the virus will begin to dissipate. It's a bold assumption and not a given. What is safe(r) to assume though is that areas of high humidity provide the environment that allows the virus to fester..

If that is indeed so, it raises the question as to whether the virus can be transmitted via mosquito, as is the case with Dengue and the West Nile Virus

If so, obviously, added high risk in an ongoing pandemic.

Thank you for making an island guy feel more secure!

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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2020, 05:43:40 am »

Thank you for making an island guy feel more secure!

You and me, both.

Forewarned is forearmed, and IIRC, you're not in the highest risk gouping (I am). Latest advice that needs to be heeded: stay away from Nurofen (Ibuprofen), all NSAIDs, if you can - they weaken your immune sytem and stick to Paracetamol.

If the mosquito risk turns out to be real, come back and I'll give you my 'recipe' for MMEAMFT (my most effective anti mosquito flame thrower) ... 
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« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2020, 05:48:57 am »

There is little that is certain and it's currently assumed that once ambient temperatures rise above 26C (80F), the virus will begin to dissipate. It's a bold assumption and not a given. What is safe(r) to assume though is that areas of high humidity provide the environment that allows the virus to fester..

Although many "warm" countries are reporting relatively low infection counts, I'm not sure about the virus getting killed at high temperatures.
How about all the infections combined in various African countries, Australia, India, Israel, Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Panama, etc?
OTOH, Russia which is relatively cold, reported so far just a small number of infections.

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« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2020, 05:54:30 am »

It seems as though the UK government is considering introducing home isolation for the over 70s for a period of four months!

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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2020, 06:19:33 am »

It seems as though the UK government is considering introducing home isolation for the over 70s for a period of four months!

That could ruin the fun for the entire summer.
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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2020, 06:41:31 am »

It seems as though the UK government is considering introducing home isolation for the over 70s for a period of four months!

Look on the bright side , Keith.

UKGOV have just worked out that they'll need additional ventilators (currently 5,000 total in the UK - SKY news this morning), hard on the heels of a blanket ban on mass gatherings - thanks entirely and solely to the intervention of the relevant sporting authorities.  Today, they're now talking about no gathering of more than a 100 people. They should change the 'getting it done' refrain to 'ahead of the curve' :)
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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2020, 06:45:00 am »

Although many "warm" countries are reporting relatively low infection counts, I'm not sure about the virus getting killed at high temperatures. How about all the infections combined in various African countries, Australia, India, Israel, Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Panama, etc?

Which is the point I made in my post.

It's a bold assumption and not a given. What is safe(r) to assume though is that areas of high humidity provide the environment that allows the virus to fester..
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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2020, 06:51:07 am »

On Friday, Trump said 5 million coronavirus tests would be available within a month.
At the current growth rate of the virus (doubling every 3 days in USA), by that time the number of infections could reach 3 millions. Then, in the next 3 days, the infection count would double to 6 millions.

3K, 6K, 12K, 24K, 48K, 96K, 192K, 384K, 768K, 1.536M, 3.072M
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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2020, 07:21:40 am »

What is safe(r) to assume though is that areas of high humidity provide the environment that allows the virus to fester.

A lot is not yet known, but it does seem that the virus spreads via moisture droplets, and not by adhering to other aerosols. If so, then drier air will reduce the distance it travels. An unknown is how long the virus survives outside of a host, on surfaces. Some think that up to 2-3 days survival (which is longer than I thought) is possible, so washing one's hands remains good advice.
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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2020, 07:24:51 am »

See the previous advice about careful hand-washing.

So wash before and after. 
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« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2020, 07:27:26 am »

Although many "warm" countries are reporting relatively low infection counts, I'm not sure about the virus getting killed at high temperatures.
How about all the infections combined in various African countries, Australia, India, Israel, Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Panama, etc?
OTOH, Russia which is relatively cold, reported so far just a small number of infections.



I think this map maybe a little outdated. 

On a Habanos forum I belong to, I have read their are confirmed cases in Cuba now. 
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2020, 07:30:30 am »


Latest advice that needs to be heeded: stay away from Nurofen (Ibuprofen), all NSAIDs, if you can - they weaken your immune sytem and stick to Paracetamol.

Where do you see that ? I have never heard that.
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« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2020, 07:39:11 am »

The UK is seemingly going out on a limb, taking a different path to the rest of the world.

Gone is the testing for all suspected cases, - you'll only be tested if you are seriously ill in hospital - they now feel the best course to take is achieving herd immunity, basically allowing 80% of the population to succumb to Covid 19 whilst "protecting" those most at risk. This approach is being challenged by many as taking unnecessary risks with the UK population, especially those at increased risk. 

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« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2020, 07:59:21 am »

Speaking as a scientist, that is an obnoxious, ignorant, derogatory stereotype (which you support repeatedly with _fictional_ villains!) In the current situation it looks to me that medical scientists like Anthony Fauci of the CDC care far more about what people want or need than some political leaders.

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« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2020, 08:06:26 am »

There is no sensible rationale, it seems to me, behind closing schools: the young appear, oddly enough, not to be severely affected by the virus and the need for thousands of parents to absent themselves from work - including work in the NHS, the police and so on - to be with children who are not at school would have potentially catastrophic consequences.

In that Rogan podcast, Osterholm made this point more emphatically. He had a statistic at hand about how many nurses had school-age children in the US; it was a lot. If their kids had to stay home, that could put a lot of stress on the system since those nurses are needed at work more than ever. And in jurisdictions with non-generous leave policies, it would just add pressure to everyone's lives, the nurses and their patients. 
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2020, 08:47:48 am »

The UK is seemingly going out on a limb, taking a different path to the rest of the world.

Gone is the testing for all suspected cases, - you'll only be tested if you are seriously ill in hospital - they now feel the best course to take is achieving herd immunity, basically allowing 80% of the population to succumb to Covid 19 whilst "protecting" those most at risk. This approach is being challenged by many as taking unnecessary risks with the UK population, especially those at increased risk.

Hi Keith,
And the percentage of infected to deaths  will increase? If only the seriously ill get a test....Or am I not reading this correctly?

Peter

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« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2020, 09:01:43 am »

Hi Keith,
And the percentage of infected to deaths  will increase? If only the seriously ill get a test....Or am I not reading this correctly?

Peter

Peter, I would have thought so, but I am admittedly totally unqualified to make that judgement. 
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