Advice needed on profiling and editing a high OBA paper

[Panagiotis]

Hello!

I am going to print about a hundred A2 sized photographs (most are BW) for an exhibition. The photographer choose Hahnemuhle Baryta FB 350. The paper has a very strong magenta cast (which is more apparent in daylight or under Solux halogen lamps and not so under light without much UV emission). I am going to make a profile with the i1 pro2 and I wonder how to proceed. M0 or M2? Should I try to remove the magenta cast by editing with M0 profile and softproofing with "Simulate paper white" ON? Or just ignore the cast completely? What do you think? Thanks in advance.

Addition: The prints after the exhibition are going to be the photographer's portfolio. That means that are going to be seen under various lighting conditions.

Panagiotis

[MfAlab]

My suggestion is M0. The prints will be seen under various lighting, absolutely include some lighting with UV. If M2 measurement be used, people will see significantly color difference. Eliminating paper white casting is not necessary. Our brain does good work on chromatic adaptation.

Just let the photographer know that papers contain huge amount OBA always lead to huge color error under different lighting. IMHO, Canson's Baryta Prestige or Hahnemuhle Photo Gloss Baryta is better choice than Baryta FB. Although these two papers also have OBA, but paper white and hand feels are much better.

Modify:
my personal baryta-like paper testing (written in CHT, translated by google)
 → https://translate.google.com.tw/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fmfalab.pixnet.net%2Fblog%2Fpost%2F28441998

[Panagiotis]

My suggestion is M0. The prints will be seen under various lighting, absolutely include some lighting with UV. If M2 measurement be used, people will see significantly color difference. Eliminating paper white casting is not necessary. Our brain does good work on chromatic adaptation.

Just let the photographer know that papers contain huge amount OBA always lead to huge color error under different lighting. IMHO, Canson's Baryta Prestige or Hahnemuhle Photo Gloss Baryta is better choice than Baryta FB. Although these two papers also have OBA, but paper white and hand feels are much better.

Modify:
my personal baryta-like paper testing (written in CHT, translated by google)
 → https://translate.google.com.tw/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fmfalab.pixnet.net%2Fblog%2Fpost%2F28441998

Thank you for your answer and suggestion. The choice of Baryta FB came after I hang on the wall under Solux lighting two BW prints of the same file. One HFA Baryta FB and one cifa Baryta Prestige. He choose the FB. I will read your test. Thanks!

[digitaldog]

Depending on your software, you can build an illuminant specific profile. And/Or use OBA compensation (both options can be found in i1Profiler) but the best solution is to avoid such papers with high OBAs!

[Panagiotis]

Depending on your software, you can build an illuminant specific profile. And/Or use OBA compensation (both options can be found in i1Profiler)

I want to avoid that because the prints are going to be seen under various lighting conditions in the future.

but the best solution is to avoid such papers with high OBAs!

Unfortunately "The die is cast". I can't go back . First someone asked for the HFA Baryta FB 350 and from the time I decided to offer it as an option more and more people prefer it after direct comparison with lower OBA papers.

Thanks for the response!

[vikcious]

First someone asked for the HFA Baryta FB 350 and from the time I decided to offer it as an option more and more people prefer it after direct comparison with lower OBA papers.

Hi Panagiotis,

That L*a*b 94,4,-10 (from the provided ICC profile for PRO-x00 series)... that hurts sooo bad! I mean, visually that "magenta white" just itches my eyes! I am also just as surprised that from the price perspective, that paper is quite expensive too. Still don't get it why people seem to prefer it to better non-OBA versions (within the same price range)

[Panagiotis]

Hi Panagiotis,

That L*a*b 94,4,-10 (from the provided ICC profile for PRO-x00 series)... that hurts sooo bad! I mean, visually that "magenta white" just itches my eyes! I am also just as surprised that from the price perspective, that paper is quite expensive too. Still don't get it why people seem to prefer it to better non-OBA versions (within the same price range)

Maybe Hahnemuhle listened to a demand for a very "bright white" baryta paper. And maybe there were right from a marketing prespective. People keep asking for it.

[MfAlab]

Yes, Hahnemuhle claim people love this "white paper" when the FB announced. But I personally feel that paper has worst hand feel and textured. For pure and high white without OBAs baryta-like paper, you can try breathing color River Stone Satin Rag, reflection is nearly perfect.

[Panagiotis]

Yes, Hahnemuhle claim people love this "white paper" when the FB announced. But I personally feel that paper has worst hand feel and textured. For pure and high white without OBAs baryta-like paper, you can try breathing color River Stone Satin Rag, reflection is nearly perfect.

Thanks for the suggestion. It is difficult to get Breathing Color papers in my country but I will look into that.

[Ernst Dinkla]

Maybe Hahnemuhle listened to a demand for a very "bright white" baryta paper. And maybe there were right from a marketing prespective. People keep asking for it.

Popular:  "Gesundes Volksempfinden"  was not a good guide either in the past. There has been a thread on the paper with the risks mentioned. Not just the magenta white that can show with other white/grey reference colors around, there is also a high risk of white paper shift due to the OBA losing its effect in time, little other whitening agents aboard to compensate that. Framed behind glass to reduce that will also reduce the effect of the OBA more. Profiling can only be done to one display lighting condition whatever choice of profile creation is made. So a bad choice when the display lighting will vary.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=68837.0


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

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