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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2019, 09:31:40 am »

The intolerance of other's choices and decisions here regarding the photographic equipment they use and own is a real turn off. We all have differing needs and preferences. it is the differences between people that makes life interesting: long may that be the case.

The progression of my work has been facilitated by the progression of my choices of equipment. It's that simple.
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2019, 10:06:58 am »

I'm with the OP :'( Hasta luego all. I appreciate what I learned here from so many. But time to move on.
Once you ... can fly with your own wings, you ... move on to something or somewhere more fulfilling.
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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2019, 11:10:17 am »

As a couple of people have already implied I found the period immediately after Michael's death the real problem.  It destroyed the uniqueness of the site -  of course Michael was irreplaceable but there was ( to say the least ) an apparently deliberate descent into the ordinariness and shallowness of many other sites. The result of this 'interregnum' was that any new version would struggle to regain previous momentum and quality and so consequently a very different LULA has emerged which is no bad thing  -  it is certainly easily distinguishable from the generality of photographic sites and one does not need to like or appreciate everything in any publication  -  certainly not if one expects more than previous opinions and ideas merely being repeated.

I have never understood the attitude of those who feel that withholding, or withdrawing, the minute payment involved to keep LULA going is some form of significant 'statement'.   Personally I consider that money well spent if only very occasional articles inspire, educate or amuse me.  As an example I was unaware of the work of Marcus Cederberg until reading the recent LULA article recently  -  for me that article repaid my subscription several times over on it's own. Other articles I can take or leave  -  as with any intelligent thoughtful and thought-provoking publication  -  and any miserly concern for the few 'pennies' per week that LULA costs me can be easily discounted as a consequence as being repaid in full so that the others are merely freebies.

However I hope you all will allow me to wish you the season's greetings and good shooting whatever choices you may make on this, or indeed, any other matter .... and incidentally share my hope that we will all relish and encourage variety in our work and our opinions.
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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2019, 12:41:31 pm »

Sharon, thanks for the nice post.

Dave, e tu, Brute!?

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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2019, 01:02:49 pm »

The intolerance of other's choices and decisions here regarding the photographic equipment they use and own is a real turn off. We all have differing needs and preferences. it is the differences between people that makes life interesting: long may that be the case.

The progression of my work has been facilitated by the progression of my choices of equipment. It's that simple.


Are you sure you've been reading it right, Keith?

I can't bring to mind many fanboy wars; if anything, there are those delighted to relate their happy experiences with whatever marque they use, some working across several of them. But to be fair, maybe it's my fault for avoiding most of the equipment threads, so I might have missed all the fun...

For me, it matters nothing which brands other folks think make them exceptional photographers. Such people would be exceptional whatever brand they use. Maybe that's why iPhones work for Nick Knight.

My own position is simple: I used Nikon from when I could buy into it. Nothing has made me change to other brands of 135 format, occasional thoughts about rangefinder Leicas of my day almost instantly dismissed exactly because of the rangefinder system. Leica slr cameras may have had great optics, but the bodies didn't even give full-frame coverage in the viewfinders, or at least, up to the R6 models which I did consider once, but also decided against.

What I do think is daft is the constant chase after minute changes that, in the end, make bugger all difference to the real life pix people produce. Of course, it's their choice to play along or not.

People may well be forced into changes of equipment through eye problems; such is life, and one has to do what can be done to help the situation, or just take up something else. Those are very different circumstances and motivation for change.

Would I be a different photographer if I had used Pentax, Canon or Minolta? A Minolta wouldn't have made me David Hamilton. Of course not. Had I used a rangefinder, then certainly, yes: I would have left long lenses well alone during my working life. Sieff used Leica M4, Nikon, 'blad and Rollei, and it was horses for courses. That much of his published work stems from Leica M4 and a 21mm optic is testament to the magazines, creating a look, and the ethos of the times. He writes about having gone on a magazine shoot with nothing else, hoping it didn't mean his last gig, and the relief that he got away with it.

Rob
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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2019, 01:10:27 pm »


Are you sure you've been reading it right, Keith?

I can't bring to mind many fanboy wars; if anything, there are those delighted to relate their happy experiences with whatever marque they use, some working across several of them. But to be fair, maybe it's my fault for avoiding most of the equipment threads, so I might have missed all the fun...

For me, it matters nothing which brands other folks think make them exceptional photographers. Such people would be exceptional whatever brand they use. Maybe that's why iPhones work for Nick Knight.

My own position is simple: I used Nikon from when I could buy into it. Nothing has made me change to other brands of 135 format, occasional thoughts about rangefinder Leicas of my day almost instantly dismissed exactly because of the rangefinder system. Leica slr cameras may have had great optics, but the bodies didn't even give full-frame coverage in the viewfinders, or at least, up to the R6 models which I did consider once, but also decided against.

What I do think is daft is the constant chase after minute changes that, in the end, make bugger all difference to the real life pix people produce. Of course, it's their choice to play along or not.

People may well be forced into changes of equipment through eye problems; such is life, and one has to do what can be done to help the situation, or just take up something else. Those are very different circumstances and motivation for change.

Would I be a different photographer if I had used Pentax, Canon or a Texas Rangefinder instead? Of course not. Had I used a rangefinder, then certainly, yes: I would have left long lenses well alone during my working life. Sieff used Leica M4, Nikon, 'blad and Rollei, and it was horses for courses. That much of his published work stems from Leica M4 and a 21mm optic is testament to the magazines, creating a look, and the ethos of the times. He writes about having gone on a magazine shoot with nothing else, hoping it didn't mean his last gig, and the relief that he got away with it.

Rob

Rob, are you sure you've been reading it right, my post had little if anything to do with fanboy wars.
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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2019, 01:14:21 pm »

Sharon +1

Something has to be pretty bad to be not worth $1/month, but Lula "pre-Josh" was pushing the boundary.  The new site has had some excellent articles and an interesting new direction.
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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2019, 02:11:36 pm »

Rob, i am afraid you’d be responsible for a hay-fever epidemic with your straw men 😉

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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2019, 02:19:17 pm »

Rob, are you sure you've been reading it right, my post had little if anything to do with fanboy wars.

"The intolerance of other's choices and decisions here regarding the photographic equipment they use and own is a real turn off."

That isn't an address to fanboyism? Really?

Rob

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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2019, 02:19:54 pm »

Rob, i am afraid you’d be responsible for a hay-fever epidemic with your straw men 😉

See above, to Keith.

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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2019, 02:32:19 pm »

"The intolerance of other's choices and decisions here regarding the photographic equipment they use and own is a real turn off."

That isn't an address to fanboyism? Really?

Rob

Really.

It was an address to your contention that anybody deviating from your own path regarding equipment is flawed and is consequently dismissed.
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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2019, 03:13:47 pm »

I feel much the same as Sharon about how LuLa has developed. The interregnum between Michael and Josh was the time when I found the main site less interesting. It did seem as though certain brands and activities were pushed. Although Josh's stuff is sometimes rather "out there" for me I have enjoyed many of the article that have appeared under his direction. I have just resubscribed.
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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2019, 03:14:54 pm »

Really.

It was an address to your contention that anybody deviating from your own path regarding equipment is flawed and is consequently dismissed.

Dismissed? No, thought to be chasing false gods.

Rob

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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2019, 03:18:11 pm »

Rob, i am afraid you’d be responsible for a hay-fever epidemic with your straw men 😉


Here's one of Sieff's Leica-with-21mm snaps; does it well, non?

No hay fever for him, always a cup of tea instead.

:-)

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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2019, 03:56:03 pm »

Dismissed? No, thought to be chasing false gods.

Rob

Rather than yourself.

;-)
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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2019, 05:25:38 pm »


Here's one of Sieff's Leica-with-21mm snaps; does it well, non?

No hay fever for him, always a cup of tea instead.

:-)

You can see this picture was taken long time ago.... when Leica was top
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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2019, 04:16:45 am »

You can see this picture was taken long time ago.... when Leica was top


In Taschen's book (ISBN 3-8228-4647-3) which, in my edition is 35.5cms tall x 26.5cms wide, hardback and beautifully printed, with copy in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese, he writes a very gentle (yet mordant where need be) story of his life right up to the end - the book came out just after his death. It has many photographs to enjoy all the way through, and is broken up into his decades. It's one of the few photo monographs that I have bought that was really worth the then high price. I would recommend it to anyone with an interest in fashion photography.

I had no idea of the number of exhibitions that he had been given until I looked at the list in this book; it's a miracle he found the time to work!

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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2019, 08:44:16 am »

Okay. Let Mr Nick Knight have a word. This first is the making of, all the techy info. to fill a heart with joy, the next the final video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc5OaTiRuFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV2Ea_046hk

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« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2019, 05:36:01 pm »

No matter how much I respect Michael and his team in days gone bye, Josh is putting his own mark on the site. For me its for the better, with a right balance between gear and Aesthetics.

The now gone site Adore Noir had this aesthetics feeling as well and so do a few other sites that care for the emotion photography is.

Lets not forget, its the eye,
brain and imagination of the photographer than makes the picture, not the equipment.

A few weeks ago I visited a local  workshop on portraits. The teacher apologised for using a Nikon D90 and a Tamron 85mm. (a 2010 consumer cam combo for those who do not dare to go below pro stuff)
The results were just amazing because of how he interacted with the models , light and clothing.

If the site continues to show me insights of others then there is plenty to distinguish it from the other sites. out there


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Re: Goodbye, farewell and amen
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2019, 12:52:45 pm »

Hello,

my subscription to this forum will end by 3rd of December, and I will not go on here. It is not due to the financial aspect, but Luminous-landscapes doesn't give me anything I need to improve my photography, nor anything which is of interest for me.
I'm really sorry, I'm member of this site since many years, but now the time has come to quit.

Goodbye to all members and have a great time !

Yours Robert

I used to be a very enthusiastic and super frequent reader of LULA, for many, many years, and I really liked Michael Reichmann's style, his charisma, personality, his commanding presence, what he covered, his known-how, etc. He and LULA were something really special.

After he passed, gradually things got worse. Taken into the wrong direction. And when Joshua took over, to be frank and honest, it got even more bland. I have not renewed. No disrespect intended towards anyone, but this site needs a life injection shot.
 
If the site were free again, it might pick up more traffic, because I honestly feel it's not worth my money anymore. Nothing to learn here. The last technical article was basically old news.

I might still visit this forum sometimes.

Arrive Deci.
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