Impeaching Donald Trump

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Bart, are you scheduled to testify soon? I am surprised you have not already been invited, given your first-hand knowledge.

No, the Republicans won't let me.

[BernardLanguillier]

I have no problem with Bolton testifying.  But has he either confirmed or denied the story by the WP?   Maybe the WP can actually give it’s readers something other than their current raft of nameless “sources”.  Don’t you want from your “news” outlets?   Or is it any port in a storm when it benefits your TBS?

As mentioned, the story is coming from the NYT.

What happens if Bolton confirms the story? Is that going to change your earlier reading of the testimony of Sonderland about the existence of a Quid Pro Quo?

Or are you going to tell us that Bolton's story will only be relevant if he testifies officially?

Cheers,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

American taxpayers don't give our dollars to foreign countries for nothing.  We expect something from them.  We're not in the charity business.  Certainly Trump isn;t.   Quid quo pros are perfectly normal.

[BernardLanguillier]

American taxpayers don't give our dollars to foreign countries for nothing.  We expect something from them.  We're not in the charity business.  Certainly Trump isn;t.   Quid quo pros are perfectly normal.

I have just counted, it's the 72nd time you write the same non sense.

No, quid pro quos are not normal, and certainly not when what is being exchanged is a personal favor to the president that will provide him an advantage against a key political rival.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

I have just counted, it's the 72nd time you write the same non sense.

No, quid pro quos are not normal, and certainly not when what is being exchanged is a personal favor to the president that will provide him an advantage against a key political rival.

Cheers,
Bernard

Well, if you stop making the same point, I'll stop making the same counterpoint. 

In any case, don't you think it's amusing that the Democrats are calling Trump's quid pro quo illegal while VP Biden and the Obama administration did the same thing.  Obama and Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion military aid from Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor and cleared up their corruption.  It's like they're accusing the Republicans for the same thing they did in the same country - Ukraine.  Either quid pro quos are legal or illegal.  Make up your mind.

[BernardLanguillier]

Well, if you stop making the same point, I'll stop making the same counterpoint. 

In any case, don't you think it's amusing that the Democrats are calling Trump's quid pro quo illegal while VP Biden and the Obama administration did the same thing.  Obama and Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion military aid from Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor and cleared up their corruption.  It's like they're accusing the Republicans for the same thing they did in the same country - Ukraine.  Either quid pro quos are legal or illegal.  Make up your mind.

Totally different situations and you know it.

The firing of the prosecutor was an international action that went through official channels.

And Obama and Biden didn’t benefit from it.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Peter McLennan]

That's exactly what you said, and I quote: "You want fries with those jobs?"
 
No, Venezuela failed due to socialism, which pays the unemployed to be faithful socialists.

I never suggested that CEO jobs were the only jobs worth mentioning.  YOU did.
Show me where the word "CEO" appears in that quotation of mine.  You will NOT mis-quote me and get away with it.

Nor can you state the GDP growth is 4% and get away with it.

You have a very narrow (and misinformed) view of socialism.

[Craig Lamson]

As mentioned, the story is coming from the NYT.

What happens if Bolton confirms the story? Is that going to change your earlier reading of the testimony of Sonderland about the existence of a Quid Pro Quo?

Or are you going to tell us that Bolton's story will only be relevant if he testifies officially?

Cheers,
Bernard

I would have no problem if he confirmed it, because in my opinion it’s still not impeachable.

As to Sondland, no it won’t change a thing about his “guess” about a Quid Pro Que.  It was and will always simply a guess on his part. He had zero first hand knowlege.  Period. 

[Craig Lamson]

And Obama and Biden didn’t benefit from it.

Cheers,
Bernard

ROFLMAO

[James Clark]

ROFLMAO

 

[Peter McLennan]

Nice attempt at deflection.  Now why not answer the question?

Your question, I believe, was "What's presidential?"  "Presidential" begins with honorable behavior.  Of that, we have seen none. 

Do we really need to list them again?  Just off the top of my head, here are a few.  They are legion, but it's bed time and you won't read this anyway.

He lies constantly about things that are easily disproved, can't speak, spell or write coherently or accurately, brags of his sexual assaults, stiffs his creditors, settles with consumers for tens of millions of dollars in partial compensation for his business malpractices, diverts charity funds for his own use, pays porn stars to have sex with him, physically shoves people aside when there are cameras around, can't close an umbrella, is the laughing stock of most of the western political world and he cheats at golf.

[Craig Lamson]

Go back in the thread... it's there.  As I recall from the Glenn back stuff, he thinks the fact that George Soros talked to someone is important,  relies on Shokin himself claiming he was wronged and was TOTALLY INNOCENT, and on a false report that a "do not prosecute"list was given to Ukraine by Yavanovitch. 

But hey, you do you. It totally makes more sense than the idea that Donald Trump did something petty and stupid.  Really. 

So I found your “research”.  Went and found the articles.  This stuff is weak.   So many holes.  But at least I now know where you are coming from.

Now, Beck.  Your claim the do not prosecute list was a false claim, Beck has the docs that prove that one wrong.  Shokin is allowed to make his claims, and again Beck has the docs.  It’s really quite clear you don’t know what Bech has at all.  Spend the two hours and watch him lay it all out. You might actually learn something. 

Interesting note.  I don’t listen to his radio show often but I had to drive an hour last Friday to a meeting so I listened.  He has Ukrainian court docs. ( and I’ll admit I’ve not Seen them) that supposedly show Hunter Biden was scheduled to be deposed about Burisma the day AFTER Shokin was fired.  If true, it’s a game changer.  Just don’t expect the weasel MSM to actually try and dig that one out.   

Then read John Soloman’s.stuff.  If you don’t you can’t make an informed decision.

[Craig Lamson]

Your question, I believe, was "What's presidential?"  "Presidential" begins with honorable behavior.  Of that, we have seen none. 

Do we really need to list them again?  Just off the top of my head, here are a few.  They are legion, but it's bed time and you won't read this anyway.

He lies constantly about things that are easily disproved, can't speak, spell or write coherently or accurately, brags of his sexual assaults, stiffs his creditors, settles with consumers for tens of millions of dollars in partial compensation for his business malpractices, diverts charity funds for his own use, pays porn stars to have sex with him, physically shoves people aside when there are cameras around, can't close an umbrella, is the laughing stock of most of the western political world and he cheats at golf.

So was JFK “presidential”?  Shall we ask Miss Monroe?  Clinton?  Johnson?  Heck even Obama could not even tell the truth about ACA, and bowed down to the world. 

You may not have done so but I didn’t vote for “presidential”. I didn’t vote for a priest.   I voted for exactly the opposite. I much prefer results.  I’m thrilled with what we got.

[Alan Klein]

Totally different situations and you know it.

The firing of the prosecutor was an international action that went through official channels.

And Obama and Biden didn’t benefit from it.   

Cheers,
Bernard

Biden benefitted by getting the prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma, the company that his son was getting paid $50K a month for a no show job because he was the VP Biden's son and had a channel  into the White House.  Wink Wink nod nod. 

[James Clark]

So I found your “research”.  Went and found the articles.  This stuff is weak.   So many holes.  But at least I now know where you are coming from.

Now, Beck.  Your claim the do not prosecute list was a false claim, Beck has the docs that prove that one wrong.  Shokin is allowed to make his claims, and again Beck has the docs.  It’s really quite clear you don’t know what Bech has at all.  Spend the two hours and watch him lay it all out. You might actually learn something. 

Interesting note.  I don’t listen to his radio show often but I had to drive an hour last Friday to a meeting so I listened.  He has Ukrainian court docs. ( and I’ll admit I’ve not Seen them) that supposedly show Hunter Biden was scheduled to be deposed about Burisma the day AFTER Shokin was fired.  If true, it’s a game changer.  Just don’t expect the weasel MSM to actually try and dig that one out.   

Then read John Soloman’s.stuff.  If you don’t you can’t make an informed decision.

Ok.  So contemporary accounts from the EU, before anyone had any reason to slant the coverage, are “weak” but retroactive claims from Glenn Beck and John Solomon are solid?  That’s your claim?

[James Clark]

So was JFK “presidential”?  Shall we ask Miss Monroe?  Clinton?  Johnson?  Heck even Obama could not even tell the truth about ACA, and bowed down to the world. 

You may not have done so but I didn’t vote for “presidential”. I didn’t vote for a priest.   I voted for exactly the opposite. I much prefer results.  I’m thrilled with what we got.

Is it the islamophobic part, the white nationalist part, or the third grade reading and speaking level that thrills you the most?  Just curious.

[Peter McLennan]

OK, I'll challenge your whataboutism just one more time. But then it really is time for bed.

So was JFK “presidential”?

He took America to the moon, ensuring the admiration of the entire world.  Stared down Russian adventurism in Cuba, ensuring the admiration of the entire world.
He published his book Profiles in Courage, which won a Pulitzer Prize.  Trump had his books written for him, but claimed authorship. (see "cheats at golf", above)

  Shall we ask Miss Monroe?

What shall we ask her?  She was a movie star, not a political actor.

 

Clinton?

Clinton presided over the longest period of peacetime economic expansion in American history.  During the last three years of Clinton's presidency, the Congressional Budget Office reported a budget surplus—the first such surplus since 1969.  (since you're "thrilled" with such things)

 

Johnson?

Johnson is ranked favorably by many historians because of his domestic policies and the passage of many major laws that affected civil rights, gun control, wilderness preservation, and Social Security, although he also drew substantial criticism for his escalation of the Vietnam War.

 

Heck even Obama could not even tell the truth about ACA,

But he did earn the respect of most of the world's politicians (and many of it's citizens) and incidentally rescue America (and possibly the western world) from the economic disaster resulting from corruption and greed fostered by previous administrations.

I much prefer results.  I’m thrilled with what we got.

Good for you.  And all the others who put their pocketbooks ahead of their brains.

[James Clark]

Is it the islamophobic part, the white nationalist part, or the third grade reading and speaking level that thrills you the most?  Just curious.

Oh!  I know.  This even relates to Biden.  It must be the steely-eyed anti-corruption work and all that swamp-draining. 

[Craig Lamson]

OK, I'll challenge your whataboutism just one more time. But then it really is time for bed.
He took America to the moon, ensuring the admiration of the entire world.  Stared down Russian adventurism in Cuba, ensuring the admiration of the entire world.
He published his book Profiles in Courage, which won a Pulitzer Prize.  Trump had his books written for him, but claimed authorship. (see "cheats at golf", above)
What shall we ask her?  She was a movie star, not a political actor.

 Clinton presided over the longest period of peacetime economic expansion in American history.  During the last three years of Clinton's presidency, the Congressional Budget Office reported a budget surplus—the first such surplus since 1969.  (since you're "thrilled" with such things)

 Johnson is ranked favorably by many historians because of his domestic policies and the passage of many major laws that affected civil rights, gun control, wilderness preservation, and Social Security, although he also drew substantial criticism for his escalation of the Vietnam War.

 But he did earn the respect of most of the world's politicians (and many of it's citizens) and incidentally rescue America (and possibly the western world) from the economic disaster resulting from corruption and greed fostered by previous administrations.

Good for you.  And all the others who put their pocketbooks ahead of their brains.

Boy the brain washing runs deep in you....and yes it is late and I was up at 5 so I'll be happy to rebut your "whataboutyisms" tomorrow.

[Craig Lamson]

Is it the islamophobic part, the white nationalist part, or the third grade reading and speaking level that thrills you the most?  Just curious.

No, what I really like is watching him live rent free in the heads of his detractors. 

Does it hurt when he bangs around inside your brain?  Just asking?