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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2019, 10:26:22 am »

Have a look where that bridge is. Look at where the airfield it is going to is. That plane is not "on approach."...

So, you tell me where they are (bridge and airport) and how that doesn’t lead to the conclusion about approach?

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2019, 11:25:01 am »

So, you tell me where they are (bridge and airport) and how that doesn’t lead to the conclusion about approach?

“When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.”

That aircraft is not on short final, it is performing an aerial demonstration pass. It cannot land in that configuration.
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2019, 11:33:38 am »

... (Or in other words, today people think that reporting all of these things is important because it will make their photos better when in actual fact the numbers are totally irrelevant and being able to work out what they should be is the real skill that matters but nobody cares about that any more.)

Your (and Rob's) stance is totally ludicrous.

So, how do you think "being able to work out what they should be" works? How are you being able? How do you acquire that "real skill"? You just wake up one morning and you just "know" how to shoot planes, for instance? Or you learn it by reading about it first?

He said he changed his settings 10 times. He was obviously struggling to come up with a winning combination, in spite of being an experienced professional photographer. I am curious as to what his thought process was as he was going through those 10 and why he settled for the last one. As curious as Rob is to read, even today, about how and why another (famous) photographer decided to go into photography and how that photographer handled certain issues of their professional life.

Curiosity. Not to discover a secret formula to replicate exactly in every case.

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2019, 11:47:18 am »

quote Dreed: "and this particular plane is still there, in Bristol, to this day."

(Along with a '53 Bristol or two one would hope)




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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2019, 11:49:08 am »

... That aircraft is not on short final, it is performing an aerial demonstration pass.

It landed right after passing the bridge.

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2019, 01:04:22 pm »

It landed right after passing the bridge.

That's an assertion.  Validate it, please. "right after" is pretty vague.
"Short final" in aviation terms means the last few moments before landing.  Less than a minute.
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2019, 01:16:25 pm »

Your (and Rob's) stance is totally ludicrous.

This is like someone asking "What exposure did you use for that image?". For which the answer is: "The correct one".

An on-set bystander once asked me as I stood behind a Panaflex on which was mounted an 800mm Canon:  "How far can you see with that lens?"

For some questions, there is no appropriate answer.
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2019, 01:19:08 pm »

It landed right after passing the bridge.

Why do you insist? Are you trolling us? Or do you just refuse to accept that you're wrong?

You can use a web browser, open up Google maps, find that bridge, note the angle of the plane, etc, and then locate the respective airfield. If you like, get a "magic marker" and draw on a GIF or JPEG for us the path that plane took (or at least the path you think it took) and upload it in a reply. Of course you won't do any of that, will you?
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2019, 01:31:32 pm »

So, how do you think "being able to work out what they should be" works? How are you being able? How do you acquire that "real skill"? You just wake up one morning and you just "know" how to shoot planes, for instance? Or you learn it by reading about it first?

Study and hard work. The same way that everyone else does. Or in the following order:

1. Practice/study
2. Practice/study
3. Practice/study
4. Maybe study but likely practice.

Reading internet forums doesn't rate - neither does being lazy or having a lazy attitude.

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He said he changed his settings 10 times. He was obviously struggling to come up with a winning combination, in spite of being an experienced professional photographer. I am curious as to what his thought process was as he was going through those 10 and why he settled for the last one. As curious as Rob is to read, even today, about how and why another (famous) photographer decided to go into photography and how that photographer handled certain issues of their professional life.

If he changed his settings 10 times then he was doing a lot of thinking about what was going to happen when he pressed the shutter release. I wouldn't call that struggling. The story documents that he was weighing up a whole host of different things in his mind as to what would be the right exposure. The story paints a picture of a very experienced photographer that was weighing up lots of pro's and con's as he prepared to take the photo. That type of shooting is a forgotten art today.
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2019, 01:47:02 pm »


If he changed his settings 10 times then he was doing a lot of thinking about what was going to happen when he pressed the shutter release. I wouldn't call that struggling. The story documents that he was weighing up a whole host of different things in his mind as to what would be the right exposure. The story paints a picture of a very experienced photographer that was weighing up lots of pro's and con's as he prepared to take the photo. That type of shooting is a forgotten art today.
Is not using a fast shutter speed kind of a duh? That only leaves aperture and ISO. Not sure why he needed ten changes.
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2019, 02:06:48 pm »

quote Dreed: "and this particular plane is still there, in Bristol, to this day."

(Along with a '53 Bristol or two one would hope)

Nah, Patricia; for those delightfully innocent years - at least I was - it has to be six years later, another continent, and the '59 Coupe de Ville! But you knew that, and were being kind.

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2019, 06:59:33 pm »

That's an assertion.  Validate it, please. "right after" is pretty vague.
"Short final" in aviation terms means the last few moments before landing.  Less than a minute.

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After the fly-by, we landed at Filton airfield, where Concorde had also landed. I took other photos of it being towed into its hangar with the pilot waving from the window.

In other words, the helicopter went back to Filton after the fly-by, but the Concorde was already there, and not just touching the ground, but done with taxiing and being towed into its hanger.

To me it says the plane landed right after the fly-by with the helicopter. Unless the helicopter continued flying around Bristol for sightseeing. But I prefer the Occam's razor explanation.

The alternative scenario, the one you seem to be advocating, is that the plane was ascending at a sharp, almost 45 degree angle, at a supersonic speed. If so, the plane would have had to make a very wide circle around the airport (it doesn't have the maneuverability of a fighter plane after all), slow down and descend again. That's possible, but coupled with the fact that it landed well before the helicopter, I'd say unlikely.

For your scenario, you need two assumptions to work: the plane went for a wide circle and the helicopter went sightseeing. Possible, but unlikely.

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2019, 07:04:18 pm »

Does anybody really care when and where it landed?
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2019, 07:41:00 pm »

Why do you insist? Are you trolling us? Or do you just refuse to accept that you're wrong?

You can use a web browser, open up Google maps, find that bridge, note the angle of the plane, etc, and then locate the respective airfield. If you like, get a "magic marker" and draw on a GIF or JPEG for us the path that plane took (or at least the path you think it took) and upload it in a reply. Of course you won't do any of that, will you?

Why this aggressiveness? Why would I troll? I thought we are having a reasoned discussion about possible scenarios. I will admit that I was wrong when you prove it, not just keep repeating "you are wrong."

Btw, I did check the map before I made my earlier comments, but here it is, per your request:



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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2019, 07:45:32 pm »

Study and hard work. The same way that everyone else does. Or in the following order:

1. Practice/study
2. Practice/study
3. Practice/study
4. Maybe study but likely practice.

Reading internet forums doesn't rate - neither does being lazy or having a lazy attitude...

And how does one study if not by reading about it, internet or otherwise. And this emphasis on "lazy"? Is that directed at me?

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2019, 08:01:17 pm »

Look, photographing airplanes in flight is not rocket science. I shot an airshow about thirty years ago. I didn't read about it first, there was no internet, etc., etc. I just used common sense. I shot with a high shutter speed and whatever aperture was necessary for proper exposure. All my slides turned out great. Photographic technique just isn't that hard. Everyone wants to make it out as some kind of mystery. It's not.
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2019, 08:14:04 pm »

Look, photographing airplanes in flight is not rocket science. I shot an airshow about thirty years ago. I didn't read about it first, there was no internet, etc., etc. I just used common sense. I shot with a high shutter speed and whatever aperture was necessary for proper exposure. All my slides turned out great. Photographic technique just isn't that hard. Everyone wants to make it out as some kind of mystery. It's not.

You must be an exception, being a genius and such. It was apparently a mystery for the poor professional photographer, with years of practice, so much so, that he needed to fiddle with his settings 10 times.

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2019, 08:55:37 pm »

Sometimes, you can make decent airplane images even with an entry-level gear and at a relatively slow shutter speed.
The below image is no comparison to Slobodan's image, the plane was ascending, just getting to the speed and I had a 50mm lens mounted on the camera.
It was taken a long time with a lowly Canon T2i at 1/400s.
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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2019, 09:14:05 pm »

Nice shot Les.  What are those things at the top?  UFO's? 

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Re: Concord's final flight: When you've only got 1 frame to get it right
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2019, 09:14:53 pm »

Hmmm.  They might be helicopters.  :)
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