Sunrise B&N

[Mark D Segal]

I think occidental eyes have a long way to go to accept empty space

Ray in Picasso's art you will never find space he was so full of himself that there is no place for emptyness (not shure of all that words in english) , he is the succefull model of occidental mentality

Seberri, anyone with a modicum of education in the graphic arts understands the role of "empty" space in imagery wherever in this World they come from, so please cut the garbage and let us stick to the artistic issues. The fact is, there is no empty space in your picture - it is filled with alot of low contrast material in various shades of dull grey that deadens the effect you were probably trying to create. I believe the suggestions I made can be profitably implemented while still preserving the effect you describe of the mountain emerging from the light; and what I suggested for the upper portion of the photograph actually goes further toward the "empty space" concept than your photograph does, without however really emptying that space, because neither a dull grey sky nor a bright empty sky would work here. The changes of tonality and composition in this image should not be very radical in order to make a dramatic improvement. Try some of these ideas in your own way and see what happens.

[seberri]

i am not looking for a dramatic improvement

[Jonathan Wienke]

i am not looking for a dramatic improvement

Exactly. Just ego-scratching, obviously.

[seberri]

what else than your ego in competition with mine :-)

[jani]

i am not looking for a dramatic improvement

I think you misunderstand the use of the word "dramatic" here.

It does not mean that the improvement will add more drama to the picture, it means that the improvement itself is dramatic, or in other words, very significant.

But if you're not looking for improvement, then I must concur with the accusation.

[Jonathan Wienke]

You've dismissed every negative critique as a failing of the Occidental mind to properly appreciate space, in spite of the fact that most of the comments (many from professional photographers) are in agreement regarding what should be changed to improve the image. In spite of this, you continue to insist that your view is superior and everyone else in the Universe is wrong. My ego has nothing to do with this fact.

[Mark D Segal]

OK Seberri, we've reached the end of the road in this discussion, because it's your picture and you are the final judge over what you think you should do with it and for you it is OK. So be it. Enjoy.

But just remember for the future if you intend to post any more photographs here - Luminous-Landscape Discussion Forum is not a mutual admiration society. People say what they think. If you can live with that, fine; but, I for one will not spend any more time discussing your work if I shall be treated with irrelevant racial considerations in the process. The language of the graphic arts is universal.

[Mark D Segal]

Jan, yes - just to confirm my intention - I should have used the word "substantial" instead of "dramatic". That would have possibly conveyed the idea in a manner less prone to misunderstanding. Anyhow, that is for "history".

[seberri]

can I see your photos online MarkDS ? or like many here are you a photograph who shoot only words ?

[Mark D Segal]

As I said Seberri, for me the discussion is over on this thread. It hasn't been cricket - and it's not going to be volleyball.

[seberri]

I see  :-) run away that's the best you have to do ! just in the moment to show your pictures

[DarkPenguin]

Should I have ever commented on anything to anyone I'm sure I have a cat photo somewhere in the forums that people can use as a measuring stick.  (Unfortunately it is a pretty accurate one.  But then I'm an engineer.)

[Jonathan Wienke]

[seberri]

thank you Jonathan .. that's interresting

[camilla]

I don;t usually get involved in this type of thread but I am compellled to do so today.

Seberri- you are out of line. If you wish to have a photograph critiqued, first be aware and accept that a critique can go both ways; and if you are indeed so knowledgeable in the arts, you must have goine through the critique process, both favorably and unfavorably many times. I will not go there further as I don't know you.

Secondly, we need always to kep RESPECT in our Luminous Landscape environment. This is why we are here, a mixture of all people, talented and less talented, all together, enjoying a space where we are all contributing or learning or sharing. It is not, NOT usual in my years of experience on this forum to have insinuations and irritating replies to the responses of other forum members- responses which YOU solicited!!!

Thirdly, it is quite inconceivable that this same person who posted a photo asking for opinions, should then edit the responses? I thought something had happened to the forum when it crashed as the thread was really strange, without the actual replies- unless the replies were done through regular emails as someone mentioned.

Last, as I don't believe this line of discussion should go any further on my part, I think that what you may be looking for is a forum like Pbase which is exactly what you may need or want, a place where people post their pictures and then other people who visit the site, post their comments and feedback. The comments I have seen and mostly favorable.

Luminous Landscape is something else, as someone said, it's our family cirle. Please don't interfere with its peaceful environment unless you are willing to add to its magic by your presence.

 In my modest opinion, Art is the gift of bringing out what you have inside, not necessarily what comes out with a 20D.