How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Everyone knows that communist central planning was a terrible failure. Do you think no else noticed?...

Obviously.

In other words, very, very few noticed. I just posted a glaring example, Crazy Bernie's total rent control.

What you don't seem to understand is that it doesn't start backwards, i.e., from the end (as a terrible failure). It takes a lot of time for people to realize it is a terrible failure. It starts nicely, with all those wonderful promises of a more just world, affordable or free this or that. It took 70 years for USSR to disintegrate (and even that took a lot of outside pressure). It took Venezuela 10 years to become a basket case, after people voted for socialism. The US still has strong checks and balances, so it will take years for the loonie left to dismantle it into a socialist "paradise." But it will happen, eventually, if people do not wake up and notice, as you said, that socialism* is one giant and terrible failure.

* But, of course, in your view, it is a brand new version of socialism, which, this time, is going to finally work

P.S. There is nothing really new in what the "new" "democratic" socialism proposes. All old news. Free health care? Free education? Free housing? Check. Check. And check. All existed in the USSR and other socialist countries.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

It started with Trump Derangement Syndrome. Kind of getting old. So, there is a new kid in town (literally): a Climate Derangement Syndrome.

[jeremyrh]

P.S. There is nothing really new in what the "new" "democratic" socialism proposes. All old news. Free health care? Free education? Free housing? Check. Check. And check. All existed in the USSR and other socialist countries.

Whereas countries with no government or taxes, like Somalia, are working out fine.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Whereas countries with no government or taxes...

Where did you hear me advocating no government and no taxes?

[LesPalenik]

Whenever someone points out some issue with market behaviour, the retort from you (and RSL and Alan) is always some childish variation of raising the spectre of central planning or Stalin. I call it the reverse-Godwin. It's silly. I'd like to say that you should know better but that presumes that people are interested in an exchange of ideas, which I have come to understand is not at all the case.

Everyone knows that communist central planning was a terrible failure. Do you think no else noticed? Do you think you're the only one who understands this? You're stuck in the 1930s.

Not stuck in 1930s. There are plenty of well meaning theoreticians and power grabbing bullies still propagating virtues of communism and socialism today. Venezuela and Cuba are good examples.

Below is a 3 minute video with Slavoj Zizek, a Slovenian philosopher and ex-communist who changed his mind about the communism or socialism with a human face. In this interview he says: Communism was an answer to a series of problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNRt-8GEi6c

Today, the old problems are gone, and we are faced with new problems. Definitely, not solvable by a new type of communism with a human face.

[Alan Klein]

Central planning hurts an economy period.  Communist or otherwise.  Forget 1930, I gave current illustrations above.  It's childish and silly of you to ignore them. 

[Alan Klein]

Ps I was referring to post 939

[Alan Klein]

Whereas countries with no government or taxes, like Somalia, are working out fine.

Government is required but only to create a fair and level playing field. It also should provide a fair and honest legal system where private disputes can be adjudicated. Beyond that they should keep hands off of private Enterprise.  Then watch an economy boom and a country and people get rich and experience liberty to the full extent.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Government is required but only to create a fair and level playing field. It also should provide a fair and honest legal system where private disputes can be adjudicated. Beyond that they should keep hands off of private Enterprise.

Yes, and they should each build their own infrastructure to transport their products and house their employees ... 

[Alan Klein]

Yes, and they should each build their own infrastructure to transport their products and house their employees ... 

Government building infrastructure has nothing to do with running individual private enterprises.  Infrastructure is not business but part of a fair playing field.  Anyone and everyone can use the infrastructure.  It got nothing to do with a command or central economy. 

[jeremyrh]

Yes, and they should each build their own infrastructure to transport their products and house their employees ... 

and their own schools to educate their own workers, and their own hospitals to keep them healthy, and, and, and ...

As usual the Coffee Corner takes a simple concept like market failure and extrapolates to ridiculous extents.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

and their own schools to educate their own workers, and their own hospitals to keep them healthy, and, and, and ...

And what?

Schools and hospitals didn’t exist before governments? Railroads and roads neither? Who built the U.K. railroad infrastructure in the mid-19th century?

[jeremyrh]

Government is required but only to create a fair and level playing field.

Exactly - so that all companies fairly and equally pay for the environmental damage that they do.

[jeremyrh]

And what?

Schools and hospitals didn’t exist before governments?

How did that work out for public health?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Exactly - so that all companies fairly and equally pay for the environmental damage that they do.

Companies do not do environmental damage (if any, in terms of CO2). People do. By existing and having needs. Companies (aka people getting together) are there to meet those needs.

[Alan Klein]

Exactly - so that all companies fairly and equally pay for the environmental damage that they do.

That has nothing to do with central planning and a command economy?  It's a separate issue.

Regarding damage to the environment,  how much do you think you owe from driving and heating your house with fossil fuels?

[Alan Klein]

How did that work out for public health?

In the US, the best hospitals and universities are private.  Always have been.  Mayo Clinic,  Johns Hopkins,  Massachusetts General Hospitals.   Harvard,  Yale,  Princeton Universities.   

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

How did that work out for public health?

How did that work out for British teeth health?

[jeremyrh]

That has nothing to do with central planning and a command economy?  It's a separate issue.

I wasn't the one that brought up command economies so you'll have to ask Slobo if you want a comment on that.

[jeremyrh]

Companies do not do environmental damage (if any, in terms of CO2). People do. By existing and having needs. Companies (aka people getting together) are there to meet those needs.

I think drug dealers make similar claims.