Extreme weather

[Alan Klein]

Definitely global warming.  Those gondolas were gasoline powered. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I kept saying this:

[Rob C]

I kept saying this:

Because the way to concentrate the mind in order to get anything done is by being totally absorbed in the problem: as with religion.

That does not imply that climate change is a religion, as you well know. What it does is illustrate just how important it is that the matter be addressed with a religious urgency.

[Rob C]

Flooding in Venice in 1825 does not mean that today's situation is the same. Today's situation is far more widespread, and it's getting progressively worse. And remember, tidal and local pressure effects ensure that sea levels are never at the same peaks everywhere at the same time, but that does not mean that they never do reach their currently possible limits and that they will not reach progressively higher limits as the ice caps melt.

I watched a docu. on tv recently about the increasing problems that Florida faces due to its foundation of porous limestone. Flooding is now taking place from the ground, not only from the sky. Water is seeping up from sewers and the water plane independently of local rainfall, but due to pressure from the rise in sea levels. The projection is that most of the beachside palaces will be uninhabitable in a few years. This has led to a drift inland by the wealthy into previously deprived but higher areas, with gentrification slowly taking its toll, just as with cities, but this time due to vanishing real estate rather than the need to increase the existing space.

While mangroves - if reintroduced - may help to a degree, that cannot alter or prevent the effects of the water rising from below the ground.

Apart from the loss of land and second/third/investment/laundering properties, the documentary pointed out the problems that will cause on the fiscal side when the mortgage companies say, hey, your property is not worth the mortgage. In effect, yet another version of the property market collapse. Is Mr Trump's golfing investment on higher gound? Like his morality, for instance?

;-)

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Flooding in Venice in 1825 does not mean that today's situation is the same...

Yes, this time it’s different. Like socialism. This time it’s going to work. And both, climate change “science” and socialism shall be unquestionably believed in, like a religion.

Beachfront properties in Florida are going like hot cakes. People are buying over the phone, sight unseen, no photographs needed. I guess, in just a “few years,” according to Karla Marx and some documentaries, those buyers will realize just how stupid they were. And turn to religion, for salvation and penance.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2019/11/15/no-hurricanes-are-not-bigger-stronger-and-more-dangerous/

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378019300378

[Rob C]

1. Yes, this time it’s different. Like socialism. This time it’s going to work. And both, climate change “science” and socialism shall be unquestionably believed in, like a religion.

2. Beachfront properties in Florida are going like hot cakes. People are buying over the phone, sight unseen, no photographs needed. I guess, in just a “few years,” according to Karla Marx and some documentaries, those buyers will realize just how stupid they were. And turn to religion, for salvation and penance.

1. There main connection between global warming and the colour of politics is that until relatively recently, all politicians elected to ignore the warnings; there is a massive connection between global warming and what politics can do to help retard, if not cancel, the effects.

2. Yes indeed, so the programme showed, and asked the same questions. Much like Brexit: people refuse to prick the bubble of their own spiritual confinement.

I doubt they will turn to religion; perhaps they will turn to different ways of gathering their wealth since appreciation on property there will have ceased and bombed. A bit like our chat about trading against the currency: comes the time to quit before you get burned. Recognizing that precise window of opportunity is the skill.

Rob

[kers]

Yes, this time it’s different. Like socialism. This time it’s going to work. And both, climate change “science” and socialism shall be unquestionably believed in, like a religion.

Beachfront properties in Florida are going like hot cakes. People are buying over the phone, sight unseen, no photographs needed. I guess, in just a “few years,” according to Karla Marx and some documentaries, those buyers will realize just how stupid they were. And turn to religion, for salvation and penance.

Socialism- Climate change - religion.
It takes a Slobodan to connect those in one sentence...

[Alan Klein]

Here's why solar is cheap.  Get other people to pay for your "free" electricity.

"Thanks to the introduction of significant federal and state incentives, bringing solar into your home is finally obtainable."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujnqqr830gk&feature=youtu.be

[Alan Klein]

So Ford joins Tesla with an electric Mustang.  America helping the climate. 
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/mustang-mach-e-reveal/

[JoeKitchen]

Here's why solar is cheap.  Get other people to pay for your "free" electricity.

"Thanks to the introduction of significant federal and state incentives, bringing solar into your home is finally obtainable."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujnqqr830gk&feature=youtu.be

Just imagine when everyone wants it. 

They'll have to really tax to keep the prices reasonable. 

[Alan Klein]

The chicken comes home to roost.  Like I;ve been saying, the Paris Accord is a waste of time without China.  They don't have to do anything to reduce carbon dioxide until 2030.  Does anyone really think China is going to shut down their economy then?  Meanwhile their use of coal is jumping by leaps and bounds.  Everything the world does will mean nothing.

"China is now in the process of building or reviving coal equivalent to the EU's entire generating capacity.

The researchers say that through 2018 and up to June 2019, countries outside of China cut their coal power capacity by 8.1 gigawatts (GW). In the same period, China added 43GW, enough to power around 31 million homes

China is also busy financing coal development outside the country, funding over a quarter of all the coal plants outside its borders in countries like South Africa, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

The researchers say that by 2030, China needs to reduce its coal power capacity by over 40% from current levels in order to meet the reductions required to hold global warming well below 2C.

"China's proposed coal expansion is so far out of alignment with the Paris Agreement that it would put the necessary reductions in coal power out of reach, even if every other country were to completely eliminate its coal fleet," said co-author Christine Shearer of Global Energy Monitor."
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50474824

On the other hand, as Bart likes to remind us, it's really not that much when you look at it on a per capita basis. 

[Alan Klein]

Has anyone determined what effect solar storms have on climate, if anything.  They seem very powerful and there's new data coming in about them.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1209202/Solar-storm-NASA-news-solar-material-blasting-Earth-tech-blackout-GPS-space-weather

[Alan Klein]

America at work saving the environment without the Paris Accord.   Another jobs win for Trump as well in a battleground state when he credits himself in the 2020 presidential election. 

"GM, LG Chem to create $2.3 billion battery cell venture for electric vehicles, to create 1,100 jobs in Ohio"
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/05/gm-lg-to-form-2point3-billion-joint-venture-for-battery-cell-production.html

[LesPalenik]

Good step in the right direction.

[LesPalenik]

As more carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere, much of the generated heat is absorbed by the oceans, and the warmer water loses oxygen. It is estimated that between 1960 and 2010, the amount of the gas dissolved in the oceans declined on average by 2%, but in some tropical locations the oxygen loss can amount up to 40%.

While nutrient run-off has been known for decades, researchers say that climate change is making the lack of oxygen worse.
Around 700 ocean sites are now suffering from low oxygen, compared with 45 in the 1960s. Researchers say the depletion is threatening species including tuna, marlin and sharks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50690995

[Alan Klein]

As more carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere, much of the generated heat is absorbed by the oceans, and the warmer water loses oxygen. It is estimated that between 1960 and 2010, the amount of the gas dissolved in the oceans declined on average by 2%, but in some tropical locations the oxygen loss can amount up to 40%.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50690995

Man has an effect on the environment.  Increasing population does that.  What are the solutions to control population?  How do we face ethical and moral decisions regarding that?  After all, China had a one child policy that was repugnant.  I don't think the world wants to go down that rat hole. 

[LesPalenik]

Man has an effect on the environment.  Increasing population does that.  What are the solutions to control population?  How do we face ethical and moral decisions regarding that?  After all, China had a one child policy that was repugnant.  I don't think the world wants to go down that rat hole.

Do you think that unrestricted population growth will solve all problems? That smells like a giant Ponzi scheme.

[Rob C]

Do you think that unrestricted population growth will solve all problems? That smells like a giant Ponzi scheme.

Population growth out of control is certainly a major problem - from almost any perspective. Quite apart from creating crowds, it means increasing competition for food, water and then the pollution and wastage the best of us still manages to produce. As we live longer, the problem increases rather than stays constant.

Control, in some countries, could be applied by reducing the state handouts people with large families manage to catch. Rather than give more aid, cut it back so that folks consider the results of their unbridled sexual exploits. After all, sex is from whence it stems, has nothing to do with the light attracting them out, nor is it an infection caught on the seat of a public toilet: it's all of our very own making. If you can't afford 'em, don't have 'em.