Extreme weather

[JoeKitchen]

Please share with us what you've been reading that has led you to that conclusion.

I just gave you an example.  The left here likes to blame the increase in hurricane damage to stronger hurricanes caused by climate change.  Hurricanes have been fairly stable in strength going back a few centuries.  The increase n damage is from building more in hurricane prone areas. 

Like I said, I do feel in certain areas climate change is an issue, but that is mainly at the polls and low islands.  But the constant hysteria is just not true and uncalled for. 

I am a strong environmentalist btw, but have found right wing environmentalism to be more likely to cause change due to the exceptance of fact over hysteria.  Another issue that has pushed in this direction, the left hysteria towards nuclear, which is the only alternate viable power source to fossil fuels. 

As Elon Musk recently put it, the left is losing the center, and that includes me (albeit center right). 

[Peter McLennan]

if the reindeer died of starvation, why would they all die, young and old, at the same place at the same time?

Exactly what I thought.  How come they're all piled up there on top of each other? 

[Peter McLennan]

Yes, Alan has issues with experts in their fields.

Especially since he appears to be an expert in nearly ALL fields.

[Alan Klein]

Good luck getting a pipeline approved through any native terrirory...especially if it's totally foreign interests.

Didn't Trump approve your Canadian Keystone pipeline through the US after Obama stopped it? Don;t you owe him a debt of gratitude? Can't native territory be skirted?  What if the pipeline company paid the native people a fee for every barrel sent through their territory.  Do you think the natives might change their minds?  What if they threw in a gambling casino?

[Peter McLennan]

The left here likes to blame the increase in hurricane damage to stronger hurricanes caused by climate change.

Why is it "the left here" who likes to blame the increase in hurricane damage to stronger hurricanes caused by climate change. Why do you attach this opinion to "the left"?  Do you have any data on this?

 

Hurricanes have been fairly stable in strength going back a few centuries.  The increase n damage is from building more in hurricane prone areas.

Those hurricane intensity data going back a few centuries:  how were they obtained?

Like I said, I do feel in certain areas climate change is an issue, but that is mainly at the polls and low islands.  But the constant hysteria is just not true and uncalled for. 

Which polls are you referencing?

Another issue that has pushed in this direction, the left hysteria towards nuclear, which is the only alternate viable power source to fossil fuels. 

The "only viable alternate"?  Really? 

1) Precisely zero of the electrical power I consume is from fossil fuels or nuclear. And I use a LOT.  I live in a relatively hostile climate.

2) There exists a substantial industry called "photovoltaics" and another one related to groups of large propellers on pylons, both generating many many GW of energy, none of which comes from fossil fuels.

[Alan Klein]

Not sure that would have been my first guess, but it fits a pattern. I'm not sure why the media would post a picture of some healthy polar bears to accompany this story. They must be slipping. I mean wouldn’t they photoshop in some emancipated bears near a drilling rig?

You missed the garbage dump behind the bears.  Obviously they're getting fat eating junk food. 

[Alan Klein]

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The "only viable alternate"?  Really? 

1) Precisely zero of the electrical power I consume is from fossil fuels or nuclear. And I use a LOT.  I live in a relatively hostile climate.

2) There exists a substantial industry called "photovoltaics" and another one related to groups of large propellers on pylons, both generating many many GW of energy, none of which comes from fossil fuels.

You're fortunate to live in an area that is windy and maybe sunnier than many areas.  Solar needs storage batteries to operate at night.  Wind generation needs, well, wind.  The point about nuclear, is that like fossil fuel, it can provide continuous high electric output any time of the day or night.  Except when a tree crashes on the wires like it did here in NJ last week during Isaia and we had to eat cold sandwiches for 4 days because the fridge went kaput and sweat because our AC went kaput too.   

[Peter McLennan]

You're fortunate to live in an area that is windy and maybe sunnier than many areas.

Actually, neither pertains.

  Solar needs storage batteries to operate at night.  Wind generation needs, well, wind.

Thanks for keeping us up to date on this.

 

The point about nuclear, is that like fossil fuel, it can provide continuous high electric output any time of the day or night.

And that's its only important characteristic?  There are other power sources that provide identical reliability.  I'm connected to one.
 

  Except when a tree crashes on the wires like it did here in NJ last week during Isaia and we had to eat cold sandwiches for 4 days because the fridge went kaput and sweat because our AC went kaput too.   

How awful for you.  And no pizza, either.

We should notice that "a tree crashing on the wires" will interrupt any power supply, regardless of its political provenance.

[JoeKitchen]

Why is it "the left here" who likes to blame the increase in hurricane damage to stronger hurricanes caused by climate change. Why do you attach this opinion to "the left"?  Do you have any data on this?

 
Those hurricane intensity data going back a few centuries:  how were they obtained?


Which polls are you referencing?

The "only viable alternate"?  Really? 

1) Precisely zero of the electrical power I consume is from fossil fuels or nuclear. And I use a LOT.  I live in a relatively hostile climate.

2) There exists a substantial industry called "photovoltaics" and another one related to groups of large propellers on pylons, both generating many many GW of energy, none of which comes from fossil fuels.

I was using "here" as in "in this example," not  on this site. 

Green energy (wind and solar) is massively expensive and inefficient.  On top of that, we past the point of diminishing returned years ago, so any progress will be minimal.  Add to that all of the other issues, and it is a pipe dream.  Nuclear is the only we choice we have.  We may go down a wind/solar rabbit hole and waste tons of money in the process, but rest assure, Nuclear will be the power the source of the future. 

[hogloff]

Didn't Trump approve your Canadian Keystone pipeline through the US after Obama stopped it? Don;t you owe him a debt of gratitude? Can't native territory be skirted?  What if the pipeline company paid the native people a fee for every barrel sent through their territory.  Do you think the natives might change their minds?  What if they threw in a gambling casino?

Many natives have higher standards than being bought out by big business. Sometimes the environment is much more important than the mighty buck.

Your comment about casinos is very disturbing.

[Alan Klein]

I was using "here" as in "in this example," not  on this site. 

Green energy (wind and solar) is massively expensive and inefficient.  On top of that, we past the point of diminishing returned years ago, so any progress will be minimal.  Add to that all of the other issues, and it is a pipe dream.  Nuclear is the only we choice we have.  We may go down a wind/solar rabbit hole and waste tons of money in the process, but rest assure, Nuclear will be the power the source of the future. 

France has invested heavily in nuclear, what about 80-90% and successfully?   Of course, with all the regulations here in America, law suits, liability risk, insurance, and high construction costs, companies have been hesitant to go that way. It's so politically tenuous, no one wants to invest.  Maybe we will be able to build it safely on the moon and run a couple of wires.   

Also, the cost of natural gas, oil and coal are very cheap.  There's a glut.  Of course, if Biden gets in, we'll wind up spending trillions to switchover to renewables going into debt even more. 

[Alan Klein]

Many natives have higher standards than being bought out by big business. Sometimes the environment is much more important than the mighty buck.

Your comment about casinos is very disturbing.

Being bought out has a negative connotation.  They may decide that having extra money for their communities is really helpful.  Better schools and hospitals, housing, benefits, educations, better schools, etc.  They'll have extra money to take care of their land.  The mosse doesn;t seen any worse for the pipeline.

Why is my comment about casinos disturbing.  MAny Indian tribes here in the US have become very rich opening casinos on their land.  No one's twisting their arms.  The can decide to do it or not.  Of course, I don;t know the situation with gaming in Canada, legality, etc. I know Niagara Falls has gaming.  I went there and lost.
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[hogloff]

Being bought out has a negative connotation.  They may decide that having extra money for their communities is really helpful.  Better schools and hospitals, housing, benefits, educations, better schools, etc.  They'll have extra money to take care of their land.  The mosse doesn;t seen any worse for the pipeline.

Why is my comment about casinos disturbing.  MAny Indian tribes here in the US have become very rich opening casinos on their land.  No one's twisting their arms.  The can decide to do it or not.  Of course, I don;t know the situation with gaming in Canada, legality, etc. I know Niagara Falls has gaming.  I went there and lost.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKjfUWxUEAAD5je.jpg

But for many natives, the environment is the most important. Something money cannot buy because once sold it can never be purchased again...no matter how much money is involved.

i tend to agree with the natives as prestige wilderness is priceless. Have you ever wandered off into wilderness that takes your breath away...and a week later you are back to your dog eat dog New Jersey world? 

[Alan Klein]

But for many natives, the environment is the most important. Something money cannot buy because once sold it can never be purchased again...no matter how much money is involved.

i tend to agree with the natives as prestige wilderness is priceless. Have you ever wandered off into wilderness that takes your breath away...and a week later you are back to your dog eat dog New Jersey world? 

I understand.  I'm retired here in NJ but in horse and farm country.  The developers buy up farms and build homes.  I hate it.  I lived in crowded NYC all my life and enjoy the relative openness now.  On the other hand, I'm financially secure for the most part.  The Indians may feel differently and need the money.  I have no idea. Of course, I respect it's their decision.  It has nothing to do with us and what we do in America.

[Peter McLennan]

Since you avoided answering any of my questions, I'll ask them again:

The left here likes to blame the increase in hurricane damage to stronger hurricanes caused by climate change.

Why do you attach this opinion to "the left"?  Do you have any data on this?

 

Hurricanes have been fairly stable in strength going back a few centuries.  The increase n damage is from building more in hurricane prone areas.

Those hurricane intensity data going back a few centuries:  how were they obtained?

Like I said, I do feel in certain areas climate change is an issue, but that is mainly at the polls and low islands.  But the constant hysteria is just not true and uncalled for.

Which polls are you referencing?

Another issue that has pushed in this direction, the left hysteria towards nuclear, which is the only alternate viable power source to fossil fuels.

The "only viable alternate"?  Really?

1) Precisely zero of the electrical power I consume is from fossil fuels or nuclear. And I use a LOT.  I live in a relatively hostile climate.

2) There exists a substantial industry called "photovoltaics" and another one related to groups of large propellers on pylons, both generating many many GW of energy, none of which comes from fossil fuels.

[Jim Pascoe]

I just gave you an example.  The left here likes to blame the increase in hurricane damage to stronger hurricanes caused by climate change.  Hurricanes have been fairly stable in strength going back a few centuries.  The increase n damage is from building more in hurricane prone areas. 

Like I said, I do feel in certain areas climate change is an issue, but that is mainly at the polls and low islands.  But the constant hysteria is just not true and uncalled for. 

I am a strong environmentalist btw, but have found right wing environmentalism to be more likely to cause change due to the exceptance of fact over hysteria.  Another issue that has pushed in this direction, the left hysteria towards nuclear, which is the only alternate viable power source to fossil fuels. 

As Elon Musk recently put it, the left is losing the center, and that includes me (albeit center right).

I only dip into these forums now and then - but for some reason whichever contentious issue I stumble upon there is always somebody (usually a select few names keep coming up) who has to bring everything down to Left or Right.  Even weather.  I can hardly believe what I read.  Lucky you don't have to live in the UK because you would have to drive on the left.  And I bet you are right-handed, sleep on the right side of the bed, and probably always right.....
This is said with a smile on my face by the way - but really, is everything in your world a matter of Left or Right.  Be honest.

Jim

[kers]

Where i live the wind always blows from the right... As a result all the trees bend over to the left.

[jeremyrh]

When the wind is blowing from behind, it blows my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDzXL5z00g

[hogloff]

Where i live the wind always blows from the right... As a result all the trees bend over to the left.

Actually there has been a lot of hot wind blowing from the right lately.

[LesPalenik]

Actually there has been a lot of hot wind blowing from the right lately.

Good point.