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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1520 on: February 08, 2020, 10:14:56 pm »

To reduce the effects of methane, EPA could establish new rules and add methane credits.  Since a significant volume of methane is generated by the cows and pigs for the benefit of meat eaters, the vegetarians and vegans could earn methane pollution credits. EPA could then sell or trade the earned credits to livestock farms, steakhouses and individual carnivores.

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1521 on: February 08, 2020, 10:28:01 pm »

To reduce the effects of methane, EPA could establish new rules and add methane credits.  Since a significant volume of methane is generated by the cows and pigs for the benefit of meat eaters, the vegetarians and vegans could earn methane pollution credits. EPA could then sell or trade the earned credits to livestock farms, steakhouses and individual carnivores.

While I'd potentially agree with the observable different contributions by various stakeholders, I tend to be more focused on actual reduction of unwanted emssions. Selling or trading emision does not fundamentally change the contribution to the surplus of greenhouse gasses.

If we can avoid it, let's do, but when we cannot at this moment in time, let's try.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1522 on: February 08, 2020, 10:32:50 pm »

To reduce the effects of methane, EPA could establish new rules and add methane credits.  Since a significant volume of methane is generated by the cows and pigs for the benefit of meat eaters, the vegetarians and vegans could earn methane pollution credits. EPA could then sell or trade the earned credits to livestock farms, steakhouses and individual carnivores.
Well, as an individual carnivore, I would be willing to pay for methane credits if vegans paid their fair share for eating beans.   :-[

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1523 on: February 08, 2020, 10:52:20 pm »

Well, as an individual carnivore, I would be willing to pay for methane credits if vegans paid their fair share for eating beans.   :-[

That could be indeed an opportunity for a new trade exchange platform - cattle methane output vs human methane output credits. I estimate that the vegans would come ahead and they could even get some options and credits eligible for the fuel for their vehicles. Or utilize the methane directly for the car propulsion. 

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« Reply #1524 on: February 08, 2020, 10:57:24 pm »

That could be indeed an opportunity for a new trade exchange platform - cattle methane output vs human methane output credits. I estimate that the vegans would come ahead and they could even get some options and credits eligible for the fuel for their vehicles. Or utilize the methane directly for the car propulsion. 
People fueled automobiles.  Now, where's Elon Musk when we really need him?

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1525 on: February 08, 2020, 10:57:33 pm »

While I'd potentially agree with the observable different contributions by various stakeholders, I tend to be more focused on actual reduction of unwanted emssions. Selling or trading emision does not fundamentally change the contribution to the surplus of greenhouse gasses.

If we can avoid it, let's do, but when we cannot at this moment in time, let's try.

Most definitely. Reduction of methane output would be much more effective than storing it and trying to offload it to someone else.

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1527 on: February 11, 2020, 08:23:50 am »

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1528 on: February 11, 2020, 09:16:42 am »

Interesting pictures, but very unsettling music.

Hey!   i also saw some nice photo: Al jazeera

like the first very much

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/pictures-rare-snowfall-carpets-iraq-200211083835781.html#lg=1&slide=0
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1529 on: February 11, 2020, 09:39:33 am »

Could the Solar System be causing recent changes in carbon in the atmosphere affecting the climate?  Could this be one of the missing parameters needed for a more accurate computer simulation of global warming?

"Scientists show solar system processes control the carbon cycle throughout Earth's history"
https://phys.org/news/2020-02-scientists-solar-carbon-earth-history.html

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1530 on: February 11, 2020, 10:25:49 am »

Global warming:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iraq-snow-baghdad-first-time-in-over-a-decade-winter-weather

Yes, GLOBAL warming, although a decade is a bit short to speak of Climate change in a specific location.

But given the fact that many countries have recorded the warmest month of January since temperatures are recorded systematically, and Iran has some cold weather, doesn't mean that GLOBAL temperatures are not rising. So yes, global warming.

Also, I for one have not forgotten the recent events, scorchingly high temperatures and wildfires, in Australia. There too, a pattern is emerging.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1531 on: February 11, 2020, 10:38:52 am »

Global warming:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iraq-snow-baghdad-first-time-in-over-a-decade-winter-weather

It's already warming up there. 5C right now, forecast for tomorrow and next few days 29C.

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1532 on: February 11, 2020, 10:45:37 am »

Could the Solar System be causing recent changes in carbon in the atmosphere affecting the climate?  Could this be one of the missing parameters needed for a more accurate computer simulation of global warming?

"Scientists show solar system processes control the carbon cycle throughout Earth's history"
https://phys.org/news/2020-02-scientists-solar-carbon-earth-history.html

Unfortunately, this is not a missing parameter. Solar radiation varies with the 11 year sunspot cycle, and as a result of the Earth's orbit around the sun, and its slow variation of the axis of rotation, but it takes an 'extremely' long time to create a significant difference.

How the inclination of Earth's orbit affects incoming solar irradiance
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2012GL052950
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The variability in solar irradiance, the main external energy source of the Earth's system, must be critically studied in order to place the effects of human‐driven climate change into perspective and allow plausible predictions of the evolution of climate. Accurate measurements of total solar irradiance (TSI) variability by instruments onboard space platforms during the last three solar cycles indicate changes of approximately 0.1% over the sunspot cycle. Physics‐based models also suggest variations of the same magnitude on centennial to millennia time‐scales.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1533 on: February 11, 2020, 10:47:48 am »

It's already warming up there. 5C right now, forecast for tomorrow and next few days 29C.

That's what one could call LOCAL warming indeed.  ;D
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1534 on: February 12, 2020, 06:47:11 am »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2020/02/09/a-climate-blacklist-that-works-it-should-make-her-unhirable-in-academia/?fbclid=IwAR1teB-pjebUJTn3qUOEHI0QbrS0wZu1H50ZXVcWoLMgohQHjEnO3AsuAeE#5cf713663682

"How Academic ‘Blacklists’ Impede Serious Work On Climate Science"

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A climate advocacy group called Skeptical Science hosts a list of academics that it has labeled “climate misinformers.” The list includes 17 academics and is intended as a blacklist. We know of this intent because one of the principals of Skeptical Science, a blogger named Dana Nuccitelli, said so last Friday, writing of one academic on their list, “if you look at the statements we cataloged and debunked on her [Skeptical Science] page, it should make her unhirable in academia.”

That so-called “unhirable” academic is Professor Judy Curry, formerly the chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at Georgia Tech, and a Fellow of both the American Geophysical Union and American Meteorological Society. By any conventional academic metric, Curry has compiled an impressive record over many decades. The idea that she would be unhirable would seem laughable.

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1535 on: February 12, 2020, 09:19:29 am »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2020/02/09/a-climate-blacklist-that-works-it-should-make-her-unhirable-in-academia/?fbclid=IwAR1teB-pjebUJTn3qUOEHI0QbrS0wZu1H50ZXVcWoLMgohQHjEnO3AsuAeE#5cf713663682

"How Academic ‘Blacklists’ Impede Serious Work On Climate Science"


For the same reason so many Hollywood types make their fake liberal bones by spouting off at the Academy awards and other places like that.  Any hint of conservatism, they could be finished in Hollywood.  It's the political equivalent of the casting couch.

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1536 on: February 12, 2020, 09:42:38 am »

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1537 on: February 12, 2020, 09:52:25 am »

Hi Bart, Where does “mediabiasfactcheck.com” rate on the factual reporting scale? In other words, who's deciding what's "factual?"
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« Reply #1538 on: February 12, 2020, 10:03:59 am »

Hi Bart, Where does “mediabiasfactcheck.com” rate on the factual reporting scale? In other words, who's deciding what's "factual?"

They obviously do not rate themselves (otherwise they'd possibly be rated as "stable geniuses").

The International Fact-Checking Network is a unit of the Poynter Institute dedicated to bringing together fact-checkers worldwide.
The Media Bias/Fact check are part of The International Fact-Checking Network
https://www.poynter.org/ifcn/

And Poynter institute is rated:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/poynter-institute/
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« Reply #1539 on: February 12, 2020, 10:08:41 am »

They obviously do not rate themselves (otherwise they'd possibly be rted as "stable geniuses").



The question is how do others rate them?  Perhaps like the Columbia Jounalism Review for example?
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