Topic: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other (Read 67844 times)

Alan Klein · « **Reply #140 on:** June 30, 2019, 09:26:53 am »

Quote from: RSL on June 30, 2019, 08:15:24 am

Unless the people of New York are smart enough to send her back to behind the bar, she'll run one of these days.

I was born in The Bronx, part of her district. Then, I lived in Queens for many years where we kept re-electing Congressman Weiner until he went to jail for being a pervert. We also had NY Gov Spitzer who had to resign because of his affair with a Washington DC hooker. So much for your question. Now I live in New Jersey where I escaped into retirement, land of the corrupt Senator Menendez, ex-Gov.Christie who created a traffic jam to the Washington Bridge during rush hour for political reasons, and another former NJ governor who would cruise the men's rooms with State Policemen protecting him on the Jersey Turnpike's rest areas looking for action, and a bunch of other losers. I can't get away from these people. PS =all Democrats.

Peter McLennan · « **Reply #141 on:** June 30, 2019, 09:45:34 am »

Quote from: Slobodan Blagojevic on June 29, 2019, 05:41:51 pm

Really? I do not know what socialism is? I, who was born in a socialist country, educated there, saw with my own eyes what socialism is in two other socialist countries before the fall of communism (Hungary and Romania), then lived eight years Russia right after the fall of communism? And I do not know what socialism is?

What is your experience with it?

No need to get all defensive. You conflated dictatorships with socialism. Living in a “socialist” country, I contradicted that idea.

Alan Klein · « **Reply #142 on:** June 30, 2019, 09:59:12 am »

Quote from: Alan Klein on June 30, 2019, 09:26:53 am

I was born in The Bronx, part of her district. Then, I lived in Queens for many years where we kept re-electing Congressman Weiner until he went to jail for being a pervert. We also had NY Gov Spitzer who had to resign because of his affair with a Washington DC hooker. So much for your question. Now I live in New Jersey where I escaped into retirement, land of the corrupt Senator Menendez, ex-Gov.Christie who created a traffic jam to the Washington Bridge during rush hour for political reasons, and another former NJ governor who would cruise the men's rooms with State Policemen protecting him on the Jersey Turnpike's rest areas looking for action, and a bunch of other losers. I can't get away from these people. PS =all Democrats.

Sorry, all Democrats except Christie. Corruption in NJ and NY is not limited to any one party.

Slobodan Blagojevic · « **Reply #143 on:** June 30, 2019, 10:15:18 am »

Quote from: jeremyrh on June 30, 2019, 04:42:32 am

I think we know the answer to that...

Please enlighten us.

Alan Klein · « **Reply #144 on:** June 30, 2019, 10:21:45 am »

Trump steps into North Korea, shakes hands and says nice things about Kim. Will a Republican sitting president get any credit for trying to make peace with North Korea? What would they say if a Democrat did this?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-kim-jong-un-meet-dmz-n1025041

LesPalenik · « **Reply #145 on:** June 30, 2019, 11:01:23 am »

Trump has been saying nice things about Kim for some time now. Hopefully, that approach will bear some fruit one day.

OmerV · « **Reply #146 on:** June 30, 2019, 11:49:45 am »

Quote from: LesPalenik on June 30, 2019, 11:01:23 am

Trump has been saying nice things about Kim for some time now. Hopefully, that approach will bear some fruit one day.

Donald has praised most despots in one way or another. My guess is because he’s too lazy to contemplate what they’re truly about. Reminds me of Neville Chamberlin.

Jeremy Roussak · « **Reply #147 on:** June 30, 2019, 12:03:44 pm »

Quote from: OmerV on June 30, 2019, 11:49:45 am

Donald has praised most despots in one way or another. My guess is because he’s too lazy to contemplate what they’re truly about. Reminds me of Neville Chamberlin.

You would benefit from rather more knowledge of Chamberlain, then.

Jeremy

OmerV · « **Reply #148 on:** June 30, 2019, 12:29:32 pm »

Quote from: Jeremy Roussak on June 30, 2019, 12:03:44 pm

You would benefit from rather more knowledge of Chamberlain, then.

Jeremy

Fair enough, though Churchill seemed to understand Hitler’s character more clearly.

Robert Roaldi · « **Reply #149 on:** June 30, 2019, 12:47:13 pm »

Quote from: Alan Klein on June 30, 2019, 10:21:45 am

Trump steps into North Korea, shakes hands and says nice things about Kim. Will a Republican sitting president get any credit for trying to make peace with North Korea? What would they say if a Democrat did this?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-kim-jong-un-meet-dmz-n1025041

If Obama had done that, would you have praised him equally or accused him of being weak with "the enemy".

An arrangement had been reached with Iran re nuclear armaments and Iran had agreed to foreign on-hand inspection of their facilities and there had been such inspections and they were abiding by that agreement and all Obama ever caught from you about that was flak. And Iran had never tested missiles, had they?

Look, I get it that this is mostly tribal partisan nonsense, but please stop trying to pass any of it off as Trumpian foreign policy wisdom, it doesn't wash.

faberryman · « **Reply #150 on:** June 30, 2019, 12:51:37 pm »

Quote from: Robert Roaldi on June 30, 2019, 12:47:13 pm

...this is mostly tribal partisan nonsense...

+1

Alan Klein · « **Reply #151 on:** June 30, 2019, 01:14:26 pm »

Quote from: Robert Roaldi on June 30, 2019, 12:47:13 pm

If Obama had done that, would you have praised him equally or accused him of being weak with "the enemy".

An arrangement had been reached with Iran re nuclear armaments and Iran had agreed to foreign on-hand inspection of their facilities and there had been such inspections and they were abiding by that agreement and all Obama ever caught from you about that was flak. And Iran had never tested missiles, had they?

Look, I get it that this is mostly tribal partisan nonsense, but please stop trying to pass any of it off as Trumpian foreign policy wisdom, it doesn't wash.

Exactly my point. Everything is considered tribal political nonsense when the other side does it. Even when it has some value. It's just that the liberal press will never give Trump credit for anything they're so biased.

Slobodan Blagojevic · « **Reply #152 on:** June 30, 2019, 02:37:25 pm »

Our friend Alan Klein wrote an awesome piece for the CNN

"What progressives should know about Trump voters"

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/opinions/what-progressives-should-know-about-trump-voters-hanson/index.html

It is not a terribly long article, but I'll try to quote at least the beginning of the ten points:

Quote

1. Voters appreciate that the economy is currently experiencing near record-low peacetime unemployment, record-low minority unemployment, and virtual 3% annualized GDP growth...

2. Trump does not exist in a vacuum. Many supporters turned off by some of his antics are still far more appalled by an emerging radical neo-socialist Democratic agenda...

3. Trump can be uncouth and crass. But he has shown an empathy for the hollowed-out interior, lacking from prior Republican and Democratic candidates...

4. Trump may come across as callous to some, but to others at least genuine. He does not modulate his accent to fit regional crowds, as did Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden...

5. Even when Trump has hit an impasse, his supporters mostly continue to believe that he at least keeps trying to meet his promises ...

6. Voters are angry over the sustained effort to remove or delegitimize a sitting president...

7. Progressives seemingly do not appreciate historical contexts. By past presidential standards, Trump's behavior while in the White House has not been characterized by the personal indiscretions of a John F. Kennedy or Bill Clinton. His language has been blunt, but then so was Harry Truman's. He can be gross, but perhaps not so much as was Lyndon Johnson...

8... Trump alone sensed that and appealed to constituencies that heretofore had been libeled by presidents and presidential candidates as "crazies," "clingers," "deplorables" and "irredeemables." Fairly or not, half the country feels that elites, a deep state, or just "they" (call them whatever you will) are both condemnatory and yet ignorant of so-called fly-over country. Trump is seen as their payback...

9. For a thrice-married former raconteur, the Trump first family appears remarkably stable, and loyal...

10. Trump is a masterful impromptu speaker. Increasingly he can be self-deprecatory, and his performances are improving...

Rob C · « **Reply #153 on:** June 30, 2019, 05:10:26 pm »

Quote from: Slobodan Blagojevic on June 30, 2019, 02:37:25 pm

Our friend Alan Klein wrote an awesome piece for the CNN

"What progressives should know about Trump voters"

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/opinions/what-progressives-should-know-about-trump-voters-hanson/index.html

It is not a terribly long article, but I'll try to quote at least the beginning of the ten points:

I have to ask, Slobodan: were these points picked out for ironic value?

:-)

Peter McLennan · « **Reply #154 on:** June 30, 2019, 08:39:42 pm »

That was my impression, too.

Slobodan Blagojevic · « **Reply #155 on:** June 30, 2019, 09:20:24 pm »

Quote from: Rob C on June 30, 2019, 05:10:26 pm

I have to ask, Slobodan: were these points picked out for ironic value?

:-)

Care to elaborate?

Bart_van_der_Wolf · « **Reply #156 on:** July 01, 2019, 08:23:11 am »

Somehow, this attachment seems appropriate for this thread ...

Cheers,
Bart

OmerV · « **Reply #157 on:** July 01, 2019, 08:25:39 am »

Quote from: Bart_van_der_Wolf on July 01, 2019, 08:23:11 am

Somehow, this attachment seems appropriate for this thread ...

Cheers,
Bart

+1

OmerV · « **Reply #158 on:** July 01, 2019, 09:15:01 am »

Si, eso es Donald:

https://twitter.com/deAdder/status/1143931384265883650

RSL · « **Reply #159 on:** July 01, 2019, 09:25:52 am »

Quote from: Bart_van_der_Wolf on July 01, 2019, 08:23:11 am

Somehow, this attachment seems appropriate for this thread ...

Cheers,
Bart

Okay, Bart. Now please explain how you think these reprobates have benefited from Trump's policies and actions. Oh, and they're going to have another five and a half years to benefit -- whatever you think those benefits are.

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