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LesPalenik

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Re: Im rubbish at macro
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2019, 02:57:53 am »

Thanks but in the interest of honesty let me explain how I actually got this shot.

Sony A9 with 90mm Sony macro lens. A plant that the bees have gone nuts over. 20 FPS with a 5 gig buffer. Figuring out the right focus area was critical. Then it was all about stubbornness.

Obviously, you have a good camera - :)
Seriously, this is a first class image. Amazing sharpness on both the flower and the bee.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2019, 04:20:15 am »

Obviously, you have a good camera - :)
I am assuming this is a tongue-in-cheek comment...
My money is on Martin!
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2019, 04:36:07 am »

Rob,  from this and other posts I get the impression that you have a Northern European attitude to bugs.

Of all kinds!

They have their place and I mine, and never the twain should meet.

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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2019, 04:42:41 am »

Sounds like loads of fun. I would rather have a colonoscopy to be honest.

I think there are clubs where people pay for experiences like that.

But hey, we gotta embrace and celebrate that too, or be called reactionary old squares. On the matter of squares, I have grown to prefer the appellation  L7 which I picked up on in Wooly Bully; far more graphically succint, don't you think?

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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2019, 04:44:49 am »

I am assuming this is a tongue-in-cheek comment...
My money is on Martin!

I do have a great camera. I haven’t liked every camera I have owned, most are just tools, but I like this one a lot. Of course the camera plays it’s part. I wouldn’t tackle this with my old AFI AF. There is some skill to using the kit obviously.

Thanks Tony.
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Re: Im rubbish at macro
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2019, 05:41:01 am »

I am assuming this is a tongue-in-cheek comment...
My money is on Martin!

Tony, it was, indeed, a tongue-in-cheek comment. As are 90% of my posts. And in 99% of those I don't use any emoticons. This time, I did just to make sure, and I still failed.
Anyway, I would be proud to have both, a picture like this and A9 as well. And that is meant without any tongue-in-cheek yellow devil.
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2019, 05:54:09 am »

Tony, it was, indeed, a tongue-in-cheek comment. As are 90% of my posts. And in 99% of those I don't use any emoticons. This time, I did just to make sure, and I still failed.
Anyway, I would be proud to have both, a picture like this and A9 as well. And that is meant without any tongue-in-cheek yellow devil.
No, I don't think you failed at what you were communicating, at least as far as I was concerned, but given the level of debate on the forums these days for sure some knucklehead would have drawn the wrong conclusion...

This way, there is no doubt that the photographer takes the image, the camera, however well specified, is merely a tool in the hands of the photographer, not the defining factor in the merits of the image!

We all (three) know this - I think (and hope) - but almost for sure someone would have been gnawing on your arse not realising that it was indeed a tongue-in-cheek comment...
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2019, 07:21:00 am »

I do have a great camera. I haven’t liked every camera I have owned, most are just tools, but I like this one a lot. Of course the camera plays it’s part. I wouldn’t tackle this with my old AFI AF. There is some skill to using the kit obviously.

Thanks Tony.

I have only disliked one camera that I bought, and that was a Mamiya tlr that accompanied my Rolleiflex. Unlike those who espouse short focal lengths for portraits, I never have liked that perspective for headshots. The Mamiya let me use a 180mm that was great. I had to keep it longer than I wanted to, because though I eventualy earned enough to go 500C, it took a while before I could afford the 150mm for it. That said, if a 180mm had existed for 'blad at the time, that's what I'd have bought. It wasn't the Mamiya lens that was the problem, it was the dreadful system for parallax compensation etc. The Mamiya body was no match for my Rollei - but then nothing with a fixed lens was.

Some 6x7 cameras were nice to operate but didn't always do what they were meant to do.

All my other cameras were the best I could find at the time, so not much point in complaining...

Rob
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Re: Im rubbish at macro
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2019, 08:03:31 am »

Tony, it was, indeed, a tongue-in-cheek comment. As are 90% of my posts. And in 99% of those I don't use any emoticons. This time, I did just to make sure, and I still failed.
Anyway, I would be proud to have both, a picture like this and A9 as well. And that is meant without any tongue-in-cheek yellow devil.

I took it as tongue in cheek but doubt it would have bothered me much anyway. I have heard it all.

Honestly though it’s an Interesting point. Im suspicious of any skill in photography that is subject to technological disruption. In the old days the ability to use a light meter well and decide from your e6 clips if you wanted to push or pull and by how much was an actual skill. Now we have 14 stops of dynamic range. So you see how useful that skill turned out to be. Technology definitely helped with this image under discussion. I have to acknowledge that although it’s not the whole story. 

Out of interest the bee image was shot at 5000 iso I think at 1/4000. I figured sharp was more important than noise in this image. I am a bit surprised at how clean the image is. I did do some noise reduction in LR but that’s it. 
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2019, 10:22:14 am »

I took it as tongue in cheek but doubt it would have bothered me much anyway. I have heard it all.

Honestly though it’s an Interesting point. Im suspicious of any skill in photography that is subject to technological disruption. In the old days the ability to use a light meter well and decide from your e6 clips if you wanted to push or pull and by how much was an actual skill. Now we have 14 stops of dynamic range. So you see how useful that skill turned out to be. Technology definitely helped with this image under discussion. I have to acknowledge that although it’s not the whole story. 

Out of interest the bee image was shot at 5000 iso I think at 1/4000. I figured sharp was more important than noise in this image. I am a bit surprised at how clean the image is. I did do some noise reduction in LR but that’s it.

You have touched on an interesting point with your remarks about meters.

In some ways, being dependent on one and using either Ektachrome or Kodachrome, one was able to develop a good eye for how contrast was going to play out, and that also helped one develop a personal style, because it led to the shooting (outdoors) at particular times of day just in order to get the light one loved.

Today, with all the differences, I'm conscious of paying too little attention to many aspects of a photograph, and just make it because I can and the tech permits it. Not good, actually, because it stops one considering many other aspects that make or break the look of an image. To be fair, I write from what's now a non-pro perspective; were I still working, the case would probably be different, and I'd still be using my old methods but projecting onto a sensor instead, so the product might not really be very different.

When I first bought a digital camera I did test it out against an incident light meter because I got the impression the aim was similar to transparency work: don't blow important highlights. In the end, I gave in to the ease of using Matrix (a Nikon option) metering which seems to be pretty good. That said, I rather suspect that I would perhaps get better files less dependent on post-exposure tricks if I'd continued along the external meter route; but hey, reality kicks in along with an undertone of "what diffence does it make" that saddens me at myself, a little - just a little.

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Re: Im rubbish at macro
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2019, 01:08:11 pm »

Thanks but in the interest of honesty let me explain how I actually got this shot.

Sony A9 with 90mm Sony macro lens. A plant that the bees have gone nuts over. 20 FPS with a 5 gig buffer. Figuring out the right focus area was critical. Then it was all about stubbornness.

Are you apologizing for your toolset?  Or the application thereof? If so, why? You got the shot, however you did it. It's superb.

And, instead of using maddogmurph's macro strategy, you caught the bee in flight AND it lived to see another day.

Stubbornness counts. In contrast, maddogmurph's stubbornness is evidenced by his willingness to venture into the wilderness and get his jeep stuck in monsoon mud in order to bring us his amazing images.  :) :) :)

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