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« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2019, 02:53:53 pm »

But then you lose the pop-cult look, and that sickening fluorescent tube light that's so befitting of the place.

Like I said a different voice...

Peter

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« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2019, 02:56:26 pm »

About old ideals. Why did you botter to print a test strip and got the negative in the 5 stops latitude of the paper and select the correct gradation in the darkroom, when the film base grain in the shadows is only a feature that enhance the image...

Horses for courses.

Different jobs, different treatments.

Anyway, not to shout about it, I seldom did more than two test strips for any print. In studio shots probably even less. You do your best to get it right in the camera, and mostly it works out okay. Another thing to bear in mind is size of print: the vast majority of them were on 10" x 12" paper, and as you get pretty used to your enlarger and your negatives, that makes you fairly quick.

Standardisation.

I would have hated to have to print for anybody else!

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« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2019, 03:04:29 pm »

Actually, I prefer the black/white alternative, but wouldn't tone it. Toning adds glamour which may not be what Russ had in mind. Also, I feel that B/W requires a more harsh light than the even one in the picture; creating gloomy, dangerous corners that still look convincingly real would be hard to do.

Hate to lose the chick in the poster...

:-)

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« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2019, 03:53:08 pm »

What kind of a shift do you try to introduce in this discussion?

Hahahaha.
None Ivo
I'm only learning from the Greater.
But you are guaranteeing things that nobody can guarantee.
You are only expressing your opinion, albeit a qualified one 8)
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Re: Entrance Only
« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2019, 04:07:07 pm »


As an aside I've never understood this simulation thing, valuing the properties of film and attempting to simulate those properties using digital capture. If film is up there on that pedestal then for God's sake shoot film rather than attempt a simulation using another medium. Play to the strength of the medium, whatever the medium.
   

This is an easy one.
If you like the look of film and digital can do it, by all means shoot digital and imitate film in PS
Why do it more complicated than is needed?
KISS, they say.

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Re: Entrance Only
« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2019, 03:52:39 am »

Horses for courses.

Different jobs, different treatments.

Anyway, not to shout about it, I seldom did more than two test strips for any print. In studio shots probably even less. You do your best to get it right in the camera, and mostly it works out okay. Another thing to bear in mind is size of print: the vast majority of them were on 10" x 12" paper, and as you get pretty used to your enlarger and your negatives, that makes you fairly quick.

Standardisation.

I would have hated to have to print for anybody else!

Rob

Yep. Fully agree
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« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2019, 04:01:02 am »

None Ivo
I'm only learning from the Greater.
But you are guaranteeing things that nobody can guarantee.
You are only expressing your opinion, albeit a qualified one 8)

We could fill the internet with how opinions are toddlerized by ignoring the qualifications of the person and equalizing it with the opinion of someone ignorant.
And no, letís not kill a simple fact by over analysis.

Your last sentence could be rephrased as:

ďYou are expressing your qualified opinionĒ



 ;D

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Re: Entrance Only
« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2019, 05:24:43 am »


Your last sentence could be rephrased as:

ďYou are expressing your qualified opinionĒ
 ;D

No problem with that either.
It doesn't change the fact that not only you but nobody can guarantee something over which one has no control at all.  ;)
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« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2019, 06:29:46 am »

No problem with that either.
It doesn't change the fact that not only you but nobody can guarantee something over which one has no control at all.  ;)

Semantics......

Letís turn it around. Prove the opposite.
 ;D
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Re: Entrance Only
« Reply #69 on: June 14, 2019, 07:04:27 am »

Semantics......

Letís turn it around. Prove the opposite.
 ;D

It's not semantics but logic.
The burden of proof  (onus probandi) is on the one who makes the claim
In this case the one who guarantees that NOBODY (a negative) would do (or not) something (I garantee you that there is no self respecting photographer...)
There is no turning around in this case  8)
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« Reply #70 on: June 14, 2019, 09:13:26 am »

It's not semantics but logic.
The burden of proof  (onus probandi) is on the one who makes the claim
In this case the one who guarantees that NOBODY (a negative) would do (or not) something (I garantee you that there is no self respecting photographer...)
There is no turning around in this case  8)

You are absolutely correct, Rab. Correct like the small print of an insurance contract.

Wrap up:
Russ made a fine picture and there is room for improvement in the finish, albeit 😉 it can not be guaranteed.

Letís call it a day. Next.
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Re: Entrance Only
« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2019, 09:45:33 am »

... Letís call it a day. Next.

No.

We need a fifth page, with rabanito hairsplitting.

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« Reply #72 on: June 14, 2019, 10:55:37 am »

You are absolutely correct, Rab. Correct like the small print of an insurance contract.

Wrap up:
Russ made a fine picture and there is room for improvement in the finish, albeit 😉 it can not be guaranteed.

Letís call it a day. Next.

Of course.
You started the argument, be ready to get answers. ;)
Still friends?
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« Reply #73 on: June 14, 2019, 11:03:40 am »

No.

We need a fifth page, with rabanito hairsplitting.

Hehe.
You seem obsessed with that rabanito, whoever he may be  ;D
He's not a bad guy. He's even of one of those who can pronounce your name correctly.
And I admit that I have fun with you. And no hard feelings, Slobo ;)
Hope this is reciprocal  :)
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« Reply #74 on: June 14, 2019, 12:03:36 pm »

Of course.
You started the argument, be ready to get answers. ;)
Still friends?

I donít have friends.
You can be my first if you want.

😬😬😂
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Re: Entrance Only
« Reply #75 on: June 14, 2019, 01:25:12 pm »

I donít have friends.
You can be my first if you want.

😬😬😂
Done  :)
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Re: Entrance Only
« Reply #76 on: June 14, 2019, 03:33:51 pm »

Holy shit.

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Re: Entrance Only
« Reply #77 on: June 14, 2019, 03:36:53 pm »

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« Reply #78 on: June 14, 2019, 03:46:39 pm »

Holy shit.

Summarizing Š la Bob Ross: ďitís just a happy accident. ď
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