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faberryman

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1160 on: July 08, 2019, 12:46:35 pm »

One wonders, why do Americans even allow this kind of rigging of the political process? I can't believe they are so indifferent about what will have serious consequences in allotting budgets for things like schooling and other matters that shape the fabric of their own society.
Americian's are not indifferent to it. Hence the lawsuits.

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« Reply #1161 on: July 08, 2019, 12:52:16 pm »

The conventional responses to issues like that are : "Hey!  It's a free country!  and "Nothing we did was illegal".
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« Reply #1162 on: July 08, 2019, 12:52:52 pm »

Americian's are not indifferent to it. Hence the lawsuits.

I don't think that average Americans are the ones engaging in Lawsuits.
Why no protests or demonstrations? Or are there, just not receiving coverage by the media?

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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1163 on: July 08, 2019, 12:55:30 pm »

... Why no protests or demonstrations? Or are there, just not receiving coverage by the media?

 ;D ;D ;D

Oh, my, Bart! You exceeded my expectations.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1164 on: July 08, 2019, 01:04:51 pm »

The conventional responses to issues like that are : "Hey!  It's a free country!  and "Nothing we did was illegal".

Lots of things that are legal are unwanted.

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US supreme court blocks 2020 census citizenship question for now

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/census-citizenship-ruling-supreme-court-trump-question-verdict-2020

In a 5-4 ruling authored by Chief Justice John Roberts, the court said that it would not be unconstitutional for the Trump administration to include a citizenship question on the census. Pro-democracy advocates have warned that doing so would suppress participation among immigrant-aligned population and disenfranchise Democratic-leaning voters.

But the high court said that in this case, the stated reason by the commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross, for including the citizenship question to obtain better data to enforce the Voting Rights Act, the civil rights-era legislation against voter discrimination was not credible.

In fact, experts have said that it will negatively affect the quality of the census data, which is especially relevant when existing records already provide the data. So apparently the stated reasons for adding this question are not the real reasons. Who is trying to fool who? And who is falling for it?

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1165 on: July 08, 2019, 01:05:31 pm »

;D ;D ;D

Oh, my, Bart! You exceeded my expectations.

Glad to oblige.

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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1166 on: July 08, 2019, 01:17:33 pm »

Yes, pretty soon we will ban the American flag and anthem for disenfranchising illegal-immigrant aligned and Democratic-leaning voters.

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« Reply #1167 on: July 08, 2019, 01:20:22 pm »

Why no protests or demonstrations? Or are there, just not receiving coverage by the media?
Because it doesn't affect every district, it has been going on for two hundred years, and is largely self correcting.

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« Reply #1168 on: July 08, 2019, 01:22:30 pm »

Yes, pretty soon we will ban the American flag and anthem for disenfranchising illegal-immigrant aligned and Democratic-leaning voters.

In that case, if I were you (shudder, the thought),  I'd vote for a different government.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1169 on: July 08, 2019, 02:01:08 pm »

Because it doesn't affect every district, it has been going on for two hundred years, and is largely self correcting.

Amen!

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« Reply #1170 on: July 08, 2019, 02:23:33 pm »

Bart, the Supreme Court decided in the first situation that the states could handle the redistricting. The states have their own Supreme Court that could decide on the legality of it.  Inhe second the Supreme Court voted against Trump about the citizenship question. So Americans are deciding in these cases what we should do. I don't see what

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1171 on: July 08, 2019, 02:24:51 pm »

I don't see what your concern is about.

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« Reply #1172 on: July 08, 2019, 02:37:06 pm »

I don't see what your concern is about.

The 10-year census has a significant impact on future budget allocations. Anything that reduces the quality of the Census will lead to under-budgeting things that affect large groups of people.

It's hard to understand that people are not concerned, unless the motives are intentionally destructive.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1173 on: July 08, 2019, 02:40:05 pm »

... It's hard to understand that people are not concerned, unless the motives are intentionally destructive...

I am absolutely concerned! It boggles my mind that the US can not ask its citizens and legal residents whether they are citizens.

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« Reply #1174 on: July 08, 2019, 02:41:47 pm »

It's hard to understand that people are not concerned, unless the motives are intentionally destructive.
People are concerned, but there are mechanisms in place to address the issue (the courts), and they seem to be working. No need for riots in the streets.

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« Reply #1175 on: July 08, 2019, 02:46:18 pm »

I am absolutely concerned! It boggles my mind that the US can not ask its citizens and legal residents whether they are citizens.

That pesky 4th Amendment is truly problematic, eh? 
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1176 on: July 08, 2019, 02:50:20 pm »

That pesky 4th Amendment is truly problematic, eh? 

You equal a census question (which is confidential anyway) with searches and seizures!?

In any case, the SCOTUS has already determined that asking the question is not unconstitutional. So your concern is a moot point.

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« Reply #1177 on: July 08, 2019, 02:52:59 pm »

That pesky 4th Amendment is truly problematic, eh?

Which is why the response will be lower, and under-budgeting will be the result. Self-destructive, stupid.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1178 on: July 08, 2019, 02:57:28 pm »

Which is why the response will be lower, and under-budgeting will be the result. Self-destructive, stupid.

Refusing to answer would be self-destructive and stupid, but well deserved.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1179 on: July 08, 2019, 03:02:22 pm »

People are concerned, but there are mechanisms in place to address the issue (the courts), and they seem to be working. No need for riots in the streets.

Not so sure that the mechanisms are working:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/07/kris-kobach-white-house-oversight-committee-1358073

Explanation of some of the backgrounds of the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgXOu59l5aA

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Bart
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