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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2019, 06:08:32 pm »

As far as the Mac Pro goes, the topic isnít price. Itís a problem of technical competitiveness vs high end workstation manufacturers (whose prices go much higher than anything Apple has ever released by a factor of 10 or more).
I am sure the topic of price will come up following Apple's announcement tomorrow.

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« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2019, 06:50:51 pm »

The more billions you have, the more billions you want... At this point Apple could give the new Pro's away and not feel it.
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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2019, 07:59:50 pm »

The more billions you have, the more billions you want... At this point Apple could give the new Pro's away and not feel it.

You may have gone to grad school but it doesn't seem you got an MBA. 😁
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2019, 08:08:21 pm »

I am sure the topic of price will come up following Apple's announcement tomorrow.

Most probably not among people who know what they are talking about.

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« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2019, 08:08:54 pm »

You're right, that it wasn't!

So let's say they could probably lower prices a bit?

Does anyone know Apple's margin?
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2019, 08:12:05 pm »

The more billions you have, the more billions you want... At this point Apple could give the new Pro's away and not feel it.

You are probably correct in terms of direct revenue.

Now there is a lot more than direct revenue.

I have probably spent around 20K$ in Apple products these past 12 years because I bought a Mac Pro.

I will leave the Apple eco-system if I consider they have abandoned the content creation market. And many are likely to make similar choices sooner or later.

I am not sure that Apple will find that revenue irrelevant in a context where the iPhone has pretty much become little more than a great smartphone among many other great smartphones.

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« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2019, 08:16:41 pm »

I must add I did actually get some free computer hardware from Apple. After a large corporate purchase... ;-) They can do it when they want to (but obviously not on a large scale).

And some free lunches courtesy of "Uncle Steve" via the Apple rep. Not to mention the overnight stay for an Apple Executive Briefing (wine and dine) up at Cupertino back in 2007. Individual hotel rooms. Dinner the night before at some fine restaurant. They starting serving lunch in the conference room as we were finishing up breakfast ;-)

There is Apple money to burn.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2019, 02:50:24 pm »

OK guys, $11K+ for new Mac Pro and monitor ;-)
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2019, 03:02:13 pm »

That's a sweet monitor .. 32", 6k, 1000 nits, HDR

Pro goes up to 28 core Xeon, 1.5TB 2933 EC ram, 8 PCI, 4 double, 3 single, one with I/O, 2 x 3TB, 2 x USB A, video options I didn't altogether follow but goes up to 14 teraflops I think [edit] and can support 6 of the 6k monitors
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2019, 03:03:00 pm »

OK guys, $11K+ for new Mac Pro and monitor ;-)
Two years to clone the cheese grater? A $5000 monitor?

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« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2019, 03:08:19 pm »

All existing hardware just tanked in value...
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2019, 03:21:05 pm »

I made the decision years ago that I would use Apple for portable and Microsoft for Desktop..... a decision I have never regretted.  I have the best of both worlds at a price point that makes sense.  There will be a few who will drop $10,000++ on an Mac Pro but I won't be one of them.

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2019, 03:21:55 pm »

Sounds good and pretty much 100% aligned with Danís crystal balling... except for the number of Io... the 2013 pro has 4xUSB A and 6xTB... and I use all of them even if Appleís USB implementation is really unstable for me.

The IO expansion card apparently only has 2xTB and 2xUSB A so I am still short on USB ports... ;) if it works in a stable way why not but USB being not chainable pretty much 200% of buyers will purchase the IO card meaning it should be seen as being part of base price.

I have just watched the video... and it really looks like itís total of 2 USB A ports including the IO card... which would probably force me to move to a wireless keyboard and mouse as a start... and to add a dock on top of it... what a pain really.

As far as GPU go I am a bit confused btwn internal PCI slots and the MPX, that appears to be an external eGPU chassis able to host 2 GPUs. Are we saying max 2+ 2x2=6 GPUs? Having looked at the video again it seems that the MPX is internal and is the only way to host GPUs and that itís therefore max 4 GPUs.

As far as the screen goes, it certainly will be beautiful but IMHO 4K is already useless for editing since pixels are too small to be able to do critical image review. I use one as a second screen for navigation but fonts are already too small... not sure about the use of a 6K screen. Besides doesít the 2 years old Dell 8k cost the same for those who would see a need? I guess this only makes sense for video edition, but then is 8K not needed?

I guess that the 999 US$ stand clarifies the positioning. Apple is only interested in selling this screen to a tiny crowd of people who used to pay 20,000+ US$ for very very specific super high end video editing screens. They really donít want other people to buy it, probably because they canít produce it in large quantities. Now, it will take only a few days for OWC to design a stand that will sell for 200 US$ and they will still make a huge margin on it...  ;D

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2019, 10:38:45 pm »

Thereís a lot to take in here, and Iíve found no information on cost at all yet, but this looks like a genuinely interesting machine. Especially in the middle ranges of the CPU choices, where the speeds are highest, and there are a good number of cores, if not the maximum number. Depending on what applications you live in, fewer (but still plenty) cores at higher speeds may be the optimum choice.

IO needs some study. I canít figure out quite whatís there. There seem to be 4 T3 ports, two of which double as USB-C. and two USB-3 Type A ports. If thatís correct, itís oddly limiting. But then, there are slots to add ports.

I would bet real money that there has been some conversation with Red on this box, given the emphasis on 8K and the presence of the Red Raven in the Apple store. Makes me wonder if there will be a Red Rocket card coming for the Afterburner module.

Why a 6K monitor? Seems like neither fish nor fowl. The display tech seems interesting, but Iíd me more interested in one in 4K DCI.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2019, 11:11:42 pm »

Thereís a lot to take in here, and Iíve found no information on cost at all yet, but this looks like a genuinely interesting machine. Especially in the middle ranges of the CPU choices, where the speeds are highest, and there are a good number of cores, if not the maximum number. Depending on what applications you live in, fewer (but still plenty) cores at higher speeds may be the optimum choice.

Indeed, 12~16 cores, 128~256GB RAM, 1~2 high end GPUs, 2~4 TB SSD is probably the sweet spot here.

IO needs some study. I canít figure out quite whatís there. There seem to be 4 T3 ports, two of which double as USB-C. and two USB-3 Type A ports. If thatís correct, itís oddly limiting. But then, there are slots to add ports.

Yes, 2 TB/USB-C on top, 2 TB rear, 2 USB 3.0 rear and that's it.

To my eyes, the lack of USB 3.0 ports is the one screaming issue I see with the proposed specs. That will force the usage of a TB3 dock and my experience with those has been very poor in terms of stability. It also means that keyboard and mouse need to be wireless, and that is a major pain because they always run out of battery when you need them the most.

In the real world, all the time you gain with better performance can be killed with a single issue forcing you to re-boot your machine once or twice because the dock lost its connection.

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2019, 05:30:35 am »

This macPro is a better design than the round one, but very expensive.
Still i see exclusive Apple NVME bars and GPU-units making it less versatile to expand.
The base unit is not that intersting and a sort of  iMacpro without a screen that already costs 6000$.
Then you also have to connect your harddisks with some box.
It seems targeted for high end video and some scientific work considering all the ram you can put into it.
Photographers will have a better choice with an iMac, hardwarewise; but i don not like to have a screen attached.
The mac mini has no sensible GPU;  maybe an added eGPU will be the solution.
I think we will see this mac pro and screen a lot... in movies ;)




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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2019, 05:46:59 am »

Here are the specs
https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/


Processor Configure from an 8‑core to 28‑core Intel Xeon W processor
8-Core
3.5GHz Intel Xeon W
8 cores, 16 threads
Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
24.5MB cache
Support for up to 1TB 2666MHz memory

12-Core
3.3GHz Intel Xeon W
12 cores, 24 threads
Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz
31.25MB cache
Support for up to 1TB 2933MHz memory

16-Core
3.2GHz Intel Xeon W
16 cores, 32 threads
Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz
38MB cache
Support for up to 1TB 2933MHz memory

24-Core
2.7GHz Intel Xeon W
24 cores, 48 threads
Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz
57MB cache
Support for up to 2TB 2933MHz memory

28-Core
2.5GHz Intel Xeon W
28 cores, 56 threads
Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz
66.5MB cache
Support for up to 2TB 2933MHz memory

Memory Configure up to 1.5TB of DDR4 ECC memory in 12 user-accessible DIMM slots
32GB
Four 8GB DIMMs

48GB
Six 8GB DIMMs

96GB
Six 16GB DIMMs

192GB
Six 32GB DIMMs

384GB
Six 64GB DIMMs

768GB
Six 128GB DIMMs or 12 64GB DIMMs

1.5TB
12 128GB DIMMs
Requires 24-core or 28-core processor.

8-core processor operates memory at 2666MHz.

12-core to 28-core processors operate memory at 2933MHz.

Graphics Configure two MPX Modules with up to four GPUs

AMD Radeon Pro 580X
36 compute units, 2304 stream processors
8GB of GDDR5 memory
Up to 5.6 teraflops single precision
Two HDMI 2.0 ports on card
Four DisplayPort connections routed to system to support internal Thunderbolt 3 ports
Support for up to six 4K displays, two 5K displays, or two Pro Display XDRs
Half-height MPX Module fits in an MPX bay and enables PCIe slot 2 for additional expansion

AMD Radeon Pro Vega II
64 compute units, 4096 stream processors
32GB of HBM2 memory with 1TB/s memory bandwidth
Up to 14.1 teraflops single precision or 28.2 teraflops half precision
Infinity Fabric Link connection enables two Vega II GPUs to connect at up to 84GB/s
Four Thunderbolt 3 ports and one HDMI 2.0 port on card
Two DisplayPort connections routed to system to support internal Thunderbolt 3 ports
Support for up to six 4K displays, three 5K displays, or two Pro Display XDRs
Full-height MPX Module fills an MPX bay and uses extra power and PCIe bandwidth

AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo
Two Vega II GPUs, each with 64 compute units and 4096 stream processors
64GB of HBM2 memory (32GB per GPU), each with 1TB/s memory bandwidth
Up to 28.2 teraflops single precision or 56.4 teraflops half precision
Onboard Infinity Fabric Link connection connects the two Vega II GPUs at up to 84GB/s
Four Thunderbolt 3 ports and one HDMI 2.0 port on card
Four DisplayPort connections routed to system to support internal Thunderbolt 3 ports
Support for up to eight 4K displays, four 5K displays, or four Pro Display XDRs
Full-height MPX module fills an MPX bay and uses extra power and PCIe bandwidth

Expansion Slots Eight PCI Express expansion slots
Two MPX Modules or up to four PCI Express card slots

Each MPX bay provides:
x16 gen 3 bandwidth for graphics
x8 gen 3 bandwidth for Thunderbolt
DisplayPort video routing
Up to 500W power for an MPX Module

Alternatively, each MPX bay can support:
One full-length, double-wide x16 gen 3 slot and one full-length, double-wide x8 gen 3 slot (MPX bay 1)
Or two full-length, double-wide x16 gen 3 slots (MPX bay 2)
Up to 300W auxiliary power via two 8-pin connectors

Three full-length PCI Express gen 3 slots
One x16 slot; two x8 slots
75W auxiliary power available

One half-length x4 PCI Express gen 3 slot with Apple I/O card installed

Afterburner ProRes and ProRes RAW accelerator card
PCI Express x16 card

Accelerates ProRes and ProRes RAW codecs in Final Cut Pro X, QuickTime Player X, and supported third-party apps

Supports playback of up to 3 streams of 8K ProRes RAW or up to 12 streams of 4K ProRes RAW

Storage Configure up to 4TB of SSD storage 1
256GB SSD
One 256GB module

1TB SSD
Two 512GB modules

2TB SSD
Two 1TB modules

4TB SSD
Two 2TB modules

Up to 2.6GB/s sequential read and 2.7GB/s sequential write performance.

Storage encrypted by the Apple T2 Security Chip.

Input/Output
I/O card installed in the half-length x4 PCI Express slot with:
Two USB 3 ports
Support for USB-A (up to 5Gb/s)

Two Thunderbolt 3 ports
Support for Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s)

Support for USB-C (up to 10Gb/s)

Support for DisplayPort

Two 10Gb Ethernet ports:
Support for 10Gb Ethernet performance over copper cabling

Support for Nbase-T industry standard: 1Gb, 2.5Gb, 5Gb, and 10Gb Ethernet link speeds using RJ-45 connectors

Additional Connections
Two Thunderbolt 3 ports on the top of the tower enclosure
Support for Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s)
Support for USB-C (up to 10Gb/s)
Support for DisplayPort

1 Testing conducted by Apple in May 2019 using preproduction 2.5GHz 28-core Intel Xeon W-based Mac Pro systems with 384GB of RAM and a 4TB SSD. Mac Pro systems tested with an attached 5K display. Tested with FIO 3.13, 1024KB request size, 150GB test file and IO depth=8. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of Mac Pro. 1GB = 1 billion bytes; 1TB = 1 trillion bytes; actual formatted capacity less.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2019, 09:16:02 am »

Form the AppleInsider article:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/06/03/apple-debuts-new-mac-pro-apple-pro-display

"Mac Pro models with an eight-core Xeon, 32GB of RAM, and the Radeon Pro 580X will start at $5999, and will be available in the fall. There will be a version optimized for rack deployment, also available in the fall."
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2019, 01:36:05 pm »

I think the biggest question is whether you need all ďproĒ features, otherwise you certainly can get similar performance for much less.
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