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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2019, 02:42:52 pm »

I'm just happy that the article brought Rachel Talibart's enjoyable and inspiration work to our attention.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2019, 02:47:02 pm »

Perhaps. But only if one is accustomed to reading and comprehension skills of a 5th grader or below. Or if someone finds that landscape photography is "just another tree, another rock (ARAT)," then describing it in anything above 5th grade might certainly feel "tortured." Sorry if I offended any 5th graders.

Those who think that landscape photography is just about snapping what's already there, and requires mostly a bladder fortitude, finding anything else in it (landscape) would certainly seem like an intellectual overkill.

I find Josh' intro text and questions well written, in terms of meaning and concept, concise, intellectual (gasp!), and addressing all the major points about landscape photography that the ARAT crowd is missing.

Josh is rightly using the following words and concepts that elevate landscape photography above a snap: primordial force, elemental and mythic, archetypal, pre-civilization tethers, collective psyche, etc. Every one of those words carries a weight that explains why landscape photography is the most popular genre - it hits our primordial links to nature, elements, survival, fear.

Me thinks.

Nonsense, Slobodan; it's "most popular" here because in a place called Luminous Landscape, that's unsurprisingly the name of the big game.

For many people, landscape is an available photographic option open to them for a lot of reasons, not least being that travel costs aside, it's usually free. I can imagine city folks could find in it a catharsis of sorts, so that might be a factor worth considering, but most important of all, it's the least demanding of all the respectable genres for the viewer to understand. As I'm reliably informed that it takes two to tango, the chances of landing a Like and even a +1 might be fairly strong, giving that sense of fulfilment so beloved of artists the world over... Because something is fairly readily available and people take the option because it's there does not, of itself, imply popularity, which is a different measure. In fact, the story goes that the most "popular" genre of photography (measured by viewings online) is pornography. So what about that, then, as measure of homo sapiens and popular tastes?

I wonder what you might think about the old gag about a photograph being worth a thousand words; it is certainly the best reason for using a cellphone as camera, especially when you want to have a plumber come fix something in your house. However, if I wish to indulge myself in some amazing plot or flight of fantasy, I think the words in a good book probably outweigh any number of photographs.

Regarding the "ARAT" folks, I generally consider myself to fit well outwith said group; nothing at all wrong with it of course, it just doesn't do it for me, and yes, I have tried, both to do it and to like it. I'm afraid that very few people seem to be able to be creative with it, unless the heavy use of Photoshop is valid in landscape (I'm not sure about the rules), but then I think that's possibly a matter of dulled senses because of too many photographs being seen everywhere people look, robbing the genre of surprise unless, of course, one thinks of it in terms of black and white. In the case of the latter, then yes, especially today, there are places to go with that thing.

Insofar as writing is concerned, I think one should be vary wary of anything that approaches gallerist or artist's statement psychobabble.

Rob
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Re: Rachael Talibart article
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2019, 02:49:39 pm »

Nonsense, Slobodan; it's "most popular" here because in a place called Luminous Landscape, that's unsurprisingly the name of the big game....
Rob

Nope, Rob, everywhere. Just check any photographic magazine to see what is the most popular genre. Go over to Fred Miranda and see which subforum has the most postings and views, for example. Check any competition and see which genre has the most submissions as well. Whether it is because it is the "easiest" genre is irrelevant for what I said.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2019, 02:54:01 pm »

Nope, Rob, everywhere. Just check any photographic magazine to see what is the most popular genre. Go over to Fred Miranda and see which subforum has the most postings and views, for example. Check any competition and see which genre has the most submissions as well.

Finish reading my post: it sort of explains the why of the ubiquity. Which is distinct from popularity.

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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2019, 03:00:58 pm »

Finish reading my post: it sort of explains the why of the ubiquity. Which is distinct from popularity.

I just updated my post with the following: "Whether it is because it is the "easiest" genre is irrelevant for what I said." As for distinction between ubiquity and popularity, same difference. Besides, you are sidetracking the essence of my post. I do not really care or feel the need to prove or not what is the most popular or not.

EDIT: Just in case someone else wants to debate popularity, have at it. I will gladly concede the point, because that wasn't the point, just a passing remark. The point of my post is a compliment to Josh' writing, so if anyone wants to respond to that, I will appreciate.
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2019, 03:34:01 pm »

I will, by simply saying :  Thank you.
Clearly I agree both in theory and in practice.

Best,

Josh

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Re: Rachael Talibart article
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2019, 03:39:42 pm »

I agree with Slobodan on this topic

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2019, 03:57:56 pm »

I agree with Slobodan on this topic

As do I, including his recognition of "Fire Within" as an exceptional standout amongst an already strong collection of images.

Good job on the interview, Josh, and great work, Rachel.

One point - earlier someone noticed that it reads like an email exchange - a point I agree with.  However, I think that's entirely appropriate and enlightening, as it allows us to see how the conversation flows and, IMHO, gives great insight into the artists creative process.  Could an exceptional writer take that content and perhaps weave an even more compelling study of the photographer?  Perhaps, perhaps not, but in either case it's no problem.
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2019, 06:27:26 pm »

It is disturbing and troubling how rapidly as a civilization the markers of our daily unique consciousness, language, have been abandoned, as tortuous monologues.

I think you've touched on something Slobodan, at the core of the complaints and discomfort. Thank you for thinking, me thinks~
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2019, 08:02:06 am »

It is disturbing and troubling how rapidly as a civilization the markers of our daily unique consciousness, language, have been abandoned, as tortuous monologues.

I think you've touched on something Slobodan, at the core of the complaints and discomfort. Thank you for thinking, me thinks~


I've a cold, Patricia, as I generally do all winter long, so that may be dulling the inner parts somewhat. However, the kitchen roll people remain perfectly happy with the situation.

I'm not sure what you are really communicating here: is it that gallerist-speak is fine, or that it gilds the faded lily? Not, of coure, that I am referring to the pix in this context as faded.

I am of the belief that art speaks for itself or it does not; I also think that should the artist decide to use captions or even short tales in conjunction with the display of his/her oeuvre, that's perfectly acceptable too, because it is presented as a holistic experience.

I further believe that when another person indulges in throwing angel dust at a work - or should that be into the eyes of the reader? - then something is a bit off in Denmark.

Maybe the advertising industry has played a useful part in my life after all.

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« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2019, 09:13:55 am »

It is disturbing and troubling how rapidly as a civilization the markers of our daily unique consciousness, language, have been abandoned, as tortuous monologues.

I think you've touched on something Slobodan, at the core of the complaints and discomfort. Thank you for thinking, me thinks~

Yes - we now have to reduce discussion to emojis, or some written equivalent.
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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2019, 09:28:22 am »

Removal of tongues, shutting down of internet for an entire country, pressure against the expression of idiosyncratic thought. Should these not make us, at minimum, ill at ease? And then? Willed post human life, as we slept? Language described as tortured? Never cease to be stunned by how it can be possible we do not recognize the curve of earth, the paths to seeing other, and the luxury of expression. I concede a grain of sand may cause us to perceive that our shoe causes us pain, but to willfully pressure for elimination or restriction of clamornauticus seems to indicate that post human may be in closer proximity than perceived. (Caution, objects in mirror are closer than they appear. )
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2019, 01:47:43 pm »

I concede a grain of sand may cause us to perceive that our shoe causes us pain,

To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire

And heaven in a wild flower.
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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2019, 02:36:02 pm »

Removal of tongues, shutting down of internet for an entire country, pressure against the expression of idiosyncratic thought. Should these not make us, at minimum, ill at ease? And then? Willed post human life, as we slept? Language described as tortured? Never cease to be stunned by how it can be possible we do not recognize the curve of earth, the paths to seeing other, and the luxury of expression. I concede a grain of sand may cause us to perceive that our shoe causes us pain, but to willfully pressure for elimination or restriction of clamornauticus seems to indicate that post human may be in closer proximity than perceived. (Caution, objects in mirror are closer than they appear. )


"... closer than they appear." On one mundane, optical level, they are twice as distant, yet on another scale of the metaphysical, right inside the transmitter.

We live in a world that is possibly itself within another. It's the very thought that prompted my title for the much later galleries of my non-pro photography, where I have mostly abandoned thing in preference for idea of signal. Hence, Glimpsed Parallels (which is the only growing section in my website) that, to me, is absolutely about an impression that comes my way, usually at the time of clicking, but quite often much later on when I get around to looking at it again on the monitor. It's sometimes quite a delay and change of rail before the picture finalizes. Really, it's why it actually doesn't matter a hill of beans if anyone else sees anything there or not: sufficient, for me, that I did. It's the leaks, you see, the tiny tears in the fabrics of the two realities that allows the sightings. Now there's a fine, unoriginal idea!

Shutting down of the Internet? Curiously, there is, today, a thing going on in the UK about a little fourteen-year-old girl, the most public of these events to date, who took herself out after an intensive exposure to Instagram self-harm postings. The government is "seriously considering this" and the Internet companies make the same claim. Nothing will happen until the advertising people also object to the juxtaposition of their sales stuff and such material... how strange that only money removes these things, and that freedom to spread mayhem is otherwise considered more important than some impressionable young lives.

Language is about communication. I feel that all the separists of this world, the ones who scream for tv stations (on the national purse) for verbal codes not used outwith some remote croft in uncharted UK Scottish wilderness, on some Welsh farm or even in tourist meccas in the Mediterranean are remarkably strange manifestations of eased communication, of getting to know one another better. I don't know if common sense has resolved this yet or not, but in the Balearics, Spanish doctors are/were? obliged to speak Catalan as well as the official Castilian; the native islander language is a version of Catalan - yet in all my years here, I have never come across a local who cannot speak Castilian. In one fell swoop the language freaks have decided that it's better to die than be attended by a doctor who can't also speak the local lingo. The lunatics, the asylum...

Of course, that's quite a leap sideways from the topic to hand, but yes, the use of hype and flashy vocabulary certainly has its place, but I don't think it ever helps communication when out of its comfort zone. Then, I think it just slips into the pretentious, which does nobody a lot of good. If you want to be - or are - a poet or writer for some literary vehicle, then go for it, throw open your thesaurus and have an orgy. For a humble photography website?

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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2019, 02:56:26 pm »

Humble photography website? Have you noticed how many PhDs, MBAs, etc,. and generally well-educated members are here? Are you (rhetorical you) really scared of a few big words like “primal” or “archetypal” ? Even if yes, help is just a google-click away. You (rhetorical you) might even expand your horizons (gasp!).

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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2019, 03:44:34 pm »

Humble photography website? Have you noticed how many PhDs, MBAs, etc,. and generally well-educated members are here? Are you (rhetorical you) really scared of a few big words like “primal” or “archetypal” ? Even if yes, help is just a google-click away. You (rhetorical you) might even expand your horizons (gasp!).


Humble, Slobodan, in the rhetorical sense.

That aside, it's been a long time since degrees impressed me very much; mostly, the folks I know who did well in life had pretty much none of those badges of early honour. Especially in photography, though if you really apply yourself, I'm sure you'll be able to pull up a list to the contrary.

Of course, that's not to say that they don't work miracles within their own world, as I know from my own brood. Oddly, their conversation isn't riddled with hype, but then maybe they are compensating for me - the rhetorical me, naturally.

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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2019, 06:53:35 pm »

There wasn't anything hype-riddled about the sections of the interview concerned with technique, printing or gear. It could be that some think the interview should have stuck to those topics and let the superb images do the rest of the talking, but I think the sections on inspiration, background and philosophy/vision added balance and value.

You can always skip that stuff if it doesn't float your boat, so why spend longer carping on about it than the interviewer/interviewee spent writing it?

By the way,
You can enjoy those images and more with musical accompaniment by Rachael's daughter here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o1B2Gr13U0


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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2019, 05:21:16 am »

There wasn't anything hype-riddled about the sections of the interview concerned with technique, printing or gear. It could be that some think the interview should have stuck to those topics and let the superb images do the rest of the talking, but I think the sections on inspiration, background and philosophy/vision added balance and value.

You can always skip that stuff if it doesn't float your boat, so why spend longer carping on about it than the interviewer/interviewee spent writing it?

By the way,
You can enjoy those images and more with musical accompaniment by Rachael's daughter here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o1B2Gr13U0


Now THAT is simply beautiful.

You get the best of two worlds: the beauty of exceptional imagery and the added, sensual kick in the head from music that matches perfectly.

So what has happened? What has happened is that there are no external voices nattering in your ears and seeking to say "look a me! aren't I brilliant? Waddya think of my added value, huh?" What you get in the video, instead, is peace and the privilege of making and enjoying your own interpretation or spiritual journey on your own terms.

It should always be like this.

Now: "so why spend longer carping on about it than the interviewer/interviewee spent writing it?"

Because this is a chat space, and chat is what makes this thing go round and exist at all. Without responses this would be a primitive blog. And I, for one, would have missed your musical link.

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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2019, 05:54:38 am »


Because this is a chat space, and chat is what makes this thing go round and exist at all. Without responses this would be a primitive blog. And I, for one, would have missed your musical link.

Rob

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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2019, 06:07:32 am »


Now THAT is simply beautiful.

You get the best of two worlds: the beauty of exceptional imagery and the added, sensual kick in the head from music that matches perfectly.

So what has happened? What has happened is that there are no external voices nattering in your ears and seeking to say "look a me! aren't I brilliant? Waddya think of my added value, huh?" What you get in the video, instead, is peace and the privilege of making and enjoying your own interpretation or spiritual journey on your own terms.

It should always be like this.

Now: "so why spend longer carping on about it than the interviewer/interviewee spent writing it?"

Because this is a chat space, and chat is what makes this thing go round and exist at all. Without responses this would be a primitive blog. And I, for one, would have missed your musical link.

Rob

Good stuff. We're in agreement that the written word in the forms of commentary and interaction have their place alongside the visual and acoustic artistry we love to absorb in solitary contemplation. I'm certain that so long as we make him feel welcome to, Josh will relax into the chat space and that will inform his role in crafting interview introductions.

In the meantime, I'm willing to absorb with equanimity the hi-folutin' words I understand, and allow those I don't to sail over my shoulder into the numinous, but ever absorbant and forgetful offing. Or for us below-decks types, the oggin.8)
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