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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #460 on: October 16, 2021, 01:10:29 pm »

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Surprising also they don’t compare it to the Sony lens this time around…

funny enough: a new Sony 70-200 has arrived and they like it even better...
400 gram lighter (!); bit sharper, very fast AF... but works not very well against the light as the Nikkor Z.

As i noticed above with the 50mm 1.2- it is not so much about the numbers anymore- all lenses are more than good enough, it is about the actual image drawing as it should...

In the analogue days we mostly just looked at the image - there were not many tests and reviews...

Since i am sensitive to specific aspects of a lens and camera-system that are never covered in these ( sponsored) reviews,
there is only one option : try before you buy...
My Nikon d850 still works so well that i can wait some more year till the mirrorless dust has settled.
(my nikon just made a bang on the floor with the 14-24mm lens on it and fortunately all still works well... another aspect for testing!)
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #461 on: November 19, 2021, 08:56:42 am »

Would be grateful for some of your thoughts regarding lens choices for an upcoming trip where I'll be shooting a wide variety of work, but also trying to keep my weight and size down.

I love my new Z 105/2.8 micro. Brilliant lens for macro work.
But I also love my F-mount 105mm 1.4 ED for portraits, even with the FTZ adapter on my Z7II

I could bring BOTH 105mm lens (which also means carrying the FTZ).

Or give up the brilliant portrait quality of the 105/1.4 and bring the 85/1.8 instead.
This would give me more focal lengths, and considerably lighter/smaller package.

...on the other hand there is the beauty of the F-105/1.4.

I haven't played around in post-processing with portrait images from the Z 105/2.8 to see how close I can get the feeling of the 105/1.4

Curious if anyone has used both - grateful for your thoughts.

Thank you.
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« Reply #462 on: November 19, 2021, 10:27:25 am »

Would be grateful for some of your thoughts regarding lens choices for an upcoming trip where I'll be shooting a wide variety of work, but also trying to keep my weight and size down.

I love my new Z 105/2.8 micro. Brilliant lens for macro work.
But I also love my F-mount 105mm 1.4 ED for portraits, even with the FTZ adapter on my Z7II

I could bring BOTH 105mm lens (which also means carrying the FTZ).

Or give up the brilliant portrait quality of the 105/1.4 and bring the 85/1.8 instead.
This would give me more focal lengths, and considerably lighter/smaller package.

...on the other hand there is the beauty of the F-105/1.4.

I haven't played around in post-processing with portrait images from the Z 105/2.8 to see how close I can get the feeling of the 105/1.4

Curious if anyone has used both - grateful for your thoughts.

Thank you.

You are the only one to judge and could rent the 85mm to see if it is for you...

I have a lot of good F-mount glass that i will use also with the Z-bodies...
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« Reply #463 on: November 19, 2021, 12:17:43 pm »

Thank you Pieter.
I already own the 85/1.8S, just not as impressed with IQ as with the 105/1.4
But it is a LOT smaller and lighter.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #464 on: December 15, 2021, 08:59:25 am »


...on the other hand there is the beauty of the F-105/1.4.



I don't have both Z MC105/2.8 and the the F105/1.4. I do have the F104/1.4 and the Z85/1.8. Yes, the 85 is a lot smaller, it also is very sharp and renders beautifully. I still go for the F105/1.4 whenever I can. I have actually sold off almost all my F equipment and gone competely Z with the exception of the F105/1.4 and the F58/1.4 (though I might exchange that for the Z50/1.2)

I don't think the F105/1.4 will go anytime soon. There is nothing yet that is worthy to replace it...
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #465 on: April 24, 2022, 08:26:18 am »

I own a number of Nikkor Z lenses including the 35S, 50S and 85S, but this little Z 40 is fast becoming my favourite walk-around lens.



Nikon Z7, Nikkor Z 40mm f/2 lens, ISO 320, f/2, 1/320s.

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« Reply #466 on: May 12, 2022, 07:13:30 pm »

Looking through the lens roadmap I see that there aren't many lenses there to still be launched, although I feel that there are still some gaps and wonder if there is anything that might get priority.

Few that I might be looking at:

- 16-35; yes they have the 14-30 F4 and 14-24 F2.8 but I always preferred the 16-35 range. I was very excited about the Olympus 8-25 F4 until I realized a 16-35 F4 on a high resolution full frame is basically the same. A high quality 16-35 F4 would be my preference here as I already have the 14-24 F2.8

- 70-300 F4-5.6; the F mount gets good reviews, I would like to see an improved Z version

- 135 F2; used a Samyang on F mount, and I'm in love with the Fuji 90 F2

In the setting of the grass is greener on the other side, I can't help but notice that in the last couple of years Sony has the upper hand with some lenses that I care about, either similar to Nikon like 20 F1.8, 50 F1.2, or unavailable and not on the roadmap, like the 16-35, F4 and 2.8, 135 F1.8.

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« Reply #467 on: May 13, 2022, 06:32:42 am »

I could do with a really good 1.4 24mm S lens edge to edge sharp.
nowhere on the roadmap... and the 1.8 24mm S is just not good enough ( as good as my old 1.8 24mm G lens, but better mechanicaly)
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #468 on: May 14, 2022, 04:38:44 am »

Also, whenever Nikon releases a desirable/well rated lens it's out of stock for an eternity.

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« Reply #469 on: May 14, 2022, 07:55:11 am »

Looking through the lens roadmap I see that there aren't many lenses there to still be launched, although I feel that there are still some gaps and wonder if there is anything that might get priority.

Few that I might be looking at:

- 16-35; yes they have the 14-30 F4 and 14-24 F2.8 but I always preferred the 16-35 range. I was very excited about the Olympus 8-25 F4 until I realized a 16-35 F4 on a high resolution full frame is basically the same. A high quality 16-35 F4 would be my preference here as I already have the 14-24 F2.8

- 70-300 F4-5.6; the F mount gets good reviews, I would like to see an improved Z version

- 135 F2; used a Samyang on F mount, and I'm in love with the Fuji 90 F2

In the setting of the grass is greener on the other side, I can't help but notice that in the last couple of years Sony has the upper hand with some lenses that I care about, either similar to Nikon like 20 F1.8, 50 F1.2, or unavailable and not on the roadmap, like the 16-35, F4 and 2.8, 135 F1.8.

I  use the 14-30, 35, 50 and 85 S lenses and I adapt a few third party manual focus lenses. The 50 and 80 are optically superb, the 14-30 and 35 more than meet my needs. That effectively covers my requirements except for what I would call Z lenses of character. Sure, there's the option of the 58mm f/0.95 Noct and the 50 f/1.2 but both are way too large and heavy for my specific needs. I also use and love using the Z 40 f/2 which goes some way to meeting my desire for compact lenses of character but what I would really love is a Z mount equivalent of the F mount 58mm f/1.4 G, a comparatively compact lens optimised for its bokeh qualities when used wide open. I'd buy it in a heartbeat! I've considered adapting the 58 f/1.4 G lens using my FTZ but I'm not too keen on the extra heft and girth and even more concerned about the resulting AF capabilities. Anyone here tried it?

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« Reply #470 on: May 16, 2022, 07:36:42 pm »

I  use the 14-30, 35, 50 and 85 S lenses and I adapt a few third party manual focus lenses. The 50 and 80 are optically superb, the 14-30 and 35 more than meet my needs. That effectively covers my requirements except for what I would call Z lenses of character. Sure, there's the option of the 58mm f/0.95 Noct and the 50 f/1.2 but both are way too large and heavy for my specific needs. I also use and love using the Z 40 f/2 which goes some way to meeting my desire for compact lenses of character but what I would really love is a Z mount equivalent of the F mount 58mm f/1.4 G, a comparatively compact lens optimised for its bokeh qualities when used wide open. I'd buy it in a heartbeat! I've considered adapting the 58 f/1.4 G lens using my FTZ but I'm not too keen on the extra heft and girth and even more concerned about the resulting AF capabilities. Anyone here tried it?

I like the idea of "lenses of character". I see lenses as paintbrushes, each with their own characteristic. The goal is not always absolute sharpness or some other measurable quality.

That said, I had kept the 58/1.4G around as one of my last F-Mount lenses. But the new bodies to my eye simply expose the flaws of that lens which now outweigh the "character". The 50/1.2 has IMMENSE character, but at the price of immense size and weight.

I await the (likely) 85/1.2 which is bound to be oozing with character.
And I'm about to add the 40/2, which seems like a wonderful compromise.

For me the biggest "holes" in the lineup are:

- A Z-mount version of the 105/1.4 (the 105/2.8/micro is incredible, but missing the extra bit of magic from the 1.4. I think I saw a post on Nikon rumors about a Nikon patent for a DC-type lens. Whatever the flavor, would love a true portrait lens around the 100-135mm range.

- A better 35mm. Unlikely we are going to see a 35/1.2, and not sure I'd want to carry it around anyway. But the current S-Line 35/1.8 is to me sadly missing character. It is a competent lens, but not special. The weakest link in the S-Line(up).

- Z-Mount Tiltshift - Haven't heard anything about this. Not hight on my list, but would be welcome.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #471 on: May 17, 2022, 01:37:44 pm »

For me, the biggest remaining hole is a 70-200 f/4 or similar.  I love the 70-200 f/2.8, but it is too heavy and massive for hiking. Even if Nikon would rebrand Tamron's 70-180 f/2.8, that would do the trick for me.
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« Reply #472 on: May 17, 2022, 02:52:12 pm »

In most of the tests the new Sony primes are really good and in some ways better than Nikon's Z lenses..
i am thinking of the 35mm 1.4 gm , the 24mm 1.4 GM and the 20mm 1.8 G lens.
Mostly lighter, sharper and better with coma in the corners... but with huge vignetting that does not really go away when stopping down.
Nikon's vignetting is usually a bit better better as are the coatings ...
Anyway- i have my d850 and good lenses so i will be watching this year... not buying..
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