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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #300 on: November 17, 2019, 08:01:23 am »

Indeed, the 50 and 85 S lenses in particular are exceptional. Hell, I even love my 14-30 S.


Keith,

Wonderful, great color. soft chromatics...

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« Reply #301 on: November 17, 2019, 08:42:16 am »


Keith,

Wonderful, great color. soft chromatics...

Peter

Thanks, Peter.

We were fortunate, we returned the next day to find the ruin had been secured.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #302 on: November 18, 2019, 08:04:50 am »

Very nice indeed!

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #303 on: November 18, 2019, 08:06:01 am »


Nikon Z6 + 85mm f1.8S

Reposted at original size without Flickr resizing.

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« Reply #304 on: November 18, 2019, 08:28:16 am »

Love it, Bernard!
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #305 on: November 18, 2019, 08:46:32 am »


Nikon Z6 + 85mm f1.8S

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Bernard

Like the photo but it is highly oversharpened, making it look like a drawing..
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« Reply #306 on: November 18, 2019, 09:26:35 am »

Like the photo but it is highly oversharpened, making it look like a drawing..

Much depends on what is used to view the image. It looks somewhat over-sharpended and over-contrasty on my un-calibrated devices but perfectly fine on my workhorse, calibrated monitor.

This is one of the reasons I don't generally offer criticism based on web images, here or elsewhere.   
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #307 on: November 18, 2019, 03:51:47 pm »

Like the photo but it is highly oversharpened, making it look like a drawing..

Really? I have not applied any sharoenimg but the standard C1 Pro 12 standard web image sharpening I always use.

But the combination of the super sharp 85mm f1.8 S at f4 and this very detailed subject may call for less sharpening. Iíll double check.

Thanks for pointing this out.

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Bernard

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #308 on: November 19, 2019, 01:22:17 am »

When I looked on my iPad it looked fine. On my 5k desktop display it looks quite harsh--not sure if the look is the same as oversharpened, but it's in the same family.
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« Reply #309 on: November 19, 2019, 02:31:07 am »

When I looked on my iPad it looked fine. On my 5k desktop display it looks quite harsh--not sure if the look is the same as oversharpened, but it's in the same family.

Thanks for checking and for the feedbacks!

Another thing is that this is a 1600px version generated by Flickr, no idea what resizing/sharpening they are using.

I double checked the original size ipad res image and I don't see any obvious sharpening halos.

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #310 on: November 19, 2019, 04:12:55 am »

Making an informed judgement on the image qualities of a web image when those image qualities are dependent on the viewing device is a fools paradise.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #311 on: November 19, 2019, 04:41:44 am »

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/nikon-nikkor-z-24mm-f-1-8s-lens-review--34224/verdict

Significantly better than the Sony 24mm f1.4, same size, cheaper. The Sony being universally considered as an amazingly good lens in its own right.



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Bernard
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« Reply #312 on: November 19, 2019, 04:49:40 am »

It may be that the upscaling getting done automatically is particularly unkind for this particular image. I downloaded and viewed it at native pixels and it's much better. But if I magnify it at all to fullscreen, it falls apart immediately.

Presenting images on the web is indeed a pain.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #313 on: November 19, 2019, 09:14:15 am »

Making an informed judgement on the image qualities of a web image when those image qualities are dependent on the viewing device is a fools paradise.

I find sharpening to the point the image looks crispy is quite easy to see on any device. Yes things like colours are useless...but over sharpening is quite easy to see.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #314 on: November 19, 2019, 09:15:59 am »

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/nikon-nikkor-z-24mm-f-1-8s-lens-review--34224/verdict

Significantly better than the Sony 24mm f1.4, same size, cheaper. The Sony being universally considered as an amazingly good lens in its own right.



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Bernard

Let's not forget one is a 1.4 lens while the other is a 1.8 lens. Being the same size is really quite amazing.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #315 on: November 19, 2019, 09:38:42 am »

I find sharpening to the point the image looks crispy is quite easy to see on any device. Yes things like colours are useless...but over sharpening is quite easy to see.

The viewing device will influence how a given image is rendered, in all respects.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #316 on: November 19, 2019, 10:24:23 am »

The viewing device will influence how a given image is rendered, in all respects.

Sure, especially colours...but something that appears crunchy on my iPad...also appears crunchy on my calibrated work station. That image is crunchy on all devices I viewed it on.

I'd say the biggest difference between devices is colours, contrast and then possibly a distant sharpness.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #317 on: November 19, 2019, 06:29:58 pm »

I have reposted at the original size, without the Flickr resizing.

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Bernard

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #318 on: December 03, 2019, 12:56:49 pm »

I just tested the S Nikkors 85 and 24mm f1.8.
Can only say these are very fine elegant lenses- wide open they are already excellent.
Wide open sharp with no colorfaults not even in the background and no coma.
Very nice bokeh, even the 24mm. I tested the 24mm against my 24mm f1.8 nikkor G.
Main difference, much better rendering of lights- no purple fringing at all.
On stopping down, the whole image is more uniform sharp and is free of chromatic errors.

I tested the 85mm against my sigma 85mm f1.4. This lens is inferior to the nikkorS at f1.8.
The Nikkor has more contrast, deeper colours and as said no chromatic problems- not even wide open- the OOF areas of the Sigma stay green till f4...
Only at infinity at f4 and smaller i like the Sigma better.
The Sigma is then more transparant and cleaner (but also more than twice the weight)

All in all the Nikon S system is growing in the right direction.


PS my 500mm reflex F8 lens has produced the sharpest foto's ever thanks to the IBIS on the Z7 - it is fun to be able to use these old lenses from the 70's.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #319 on: December 03, 2019, 02:04:19 pm »

I just tested the S Nikkors 85 and 24mm f1.8.
Can only say these are very fine elegant lenses- wide open they are already excellent.
Wide open sharp with no colorfaults not even in the background and no coma.
Very nice bokeh, even the 24mm. I tested the 24mm against my 24mm f1.8 nikkor G.
Main difference, much better rendering of lights- no purple fringing at all.
On stopping down, the whole image is more uniform sharp and is free of chromatic errors.

I tested the 85mm against my sigma 85mm f1.4. This lens is inferior to the nikkorS at f1.8.
The Nikkor has more contrast, deeper colours and as said no chromatic problems- not even wide open- the OOF areas of the Sigma stay green till f4... also it weighs a lot less.
Only at infinity at f4 and smaller i like the Sigma better.
The Sigma is then more transparant and cleaner.

All in all the Nikon S system is growing in the right direction.


PS my 500mm reflex F8 lens has produced the sharpest foto's ever thanks to the IBIS on the Z7 - it is fun to be able to use these old lenses from the 70's.

Yes, digital capture has given that venerable f8 reflex lens a new lease of life if only by freeing it from the shackles of 64 ASA films! I can now use a fast shutter speed with the thing.
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