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byomtov

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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2019, 01:38:51 pm »

No luck, though I did find a couple more sheets of paper.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2019, 01:39:21 pm »

You cannot have your paper width set to 19" on a 17" printer.

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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2019, 01:40:04 pm »

Ok, but before I try that let me ask a question, since I'm down to my last sheet of (relatively) inexpensive paper.

The image is a horizontal one, but I have the driver set to portrait mode, with the paper width set to 19", etc. This ought to be OK, but I'm wondering if it is a possible source of trouble.

I don't want to change more than one thing so I want to try your suggestion but it will be a few hours before I can get some more paper. I do have a very lightly printed sheet that would work for a test. Does it do any harm to feed an already printed sheet through a second time?

Best to have the orientation and the paper size settings cohere, noting that the maximum width for that printer is the 17 inches carriage width. So the 19 inch dimension should not be the width. No harm printing on used paper as long as it is dry. I recommend printing on the other side for this purpose. You don't need the coating one way or another.

Oops - no luck in what sense? What didn't work?
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2019, 01:45:09 pm »

Dan and I were writing and posting in too close a sequence for the warning to come up. Anyhow, we're saying the same thing! :-)
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2019, 01:53:44 pm »

Almost impossible to make that error in Lightroom, since there is no horizontal or vertical selection.
Put the proper dimensions you would like to print in cell size and the preview will show you if you put it in correctly.

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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2019, 02:00:59 pm »

Pete,

My settings from PS are attached.  I set the size using the PS window, obviously. Notice that the width is set to 16.499 inches, even though I entered 16.5. I did measure the paper.

The image cam out the same size as in the LR example, about 16 5/16 x 10 3/4. It was just slightly off center - barely at all horizontally and about 1/8 inch vertically. Maybe that's within normal tolerance for the printer. I don't know.

I see that you are scaling the image in the driver to get near your desired (I think) 16.5x11". Sound to me like you are in the weeds of "mininum printable borders" operating in the background, with it's 3mm offsets.

I think that if you follow my first suggestion of sizing your image in PS, outside the driver, using the Image > Image Size dialog, where you can also re-sample it up to the 360PPI "ideal" Epson printing res. if you wish. You will have then a precise, baked-in size for the printer. Then simply check "center image" and print, assuring first that all scaling and borders dialogs are un-checked.

I've been doing it this way on multiple printers since the dawn of digital printing after getting trapped in the MPB minefield too many times...

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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2019, 02:04:53 pm »

Pretty much no change. The image dimensions changed very slightly, and it was still off-center vertically by roughly the same amount - maybe 1mm less.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2019, 02:07:44 pm »

Sorry, whose "solution" are you responding to here. It's becoming confusing!  :-)

I think Pete Berry has hit the nail on the head and hope that is not the one which isn't working.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2019, 02:44:30 pm »

I was clarifying my "no luck" response to you.

Pete's solution gave me an image 16 3/4" wide, centered vertically but not horizontally
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2019, 03:34:37 pm »

OK, keeping track, we were half-way there at Replies 14, 15 and Pete's latest suggestion to now. I got you centered horizontally, he got you centered vertically, now if there were some way of combining the two you'd be centered! :-). OK I know, it's not funny. I'm scratching my head between replies trying to figure this out, amongst other things I doing here.

One more thing to try: Go back to your upper illustration in reply 9. Reset scaling to 100%, and make sure the print is the correct image size you want in print using the Image Size dialog in Photoshop. As well, have a look at "Paper Size Check" option in the printer's LCD menu. If this is on, turn it off, select one of your sizing options for your paper size that is set for 0 margins, print and see what happens.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2019, 04:29:47 pm »

Ok.

The dimensions are fine now. I fixed a mistake I had made that probably caused that problem.

The left border is 2mm narrower than the right and the top border is 2mm narrower than the bottom.

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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2019, 04:33:10 pm »

Super. Curious to know what mistake you fixed - this may help anyone else having similar issues.

So when you say it's OK now, presumably you're not concerned about the 2mm?
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2019, 04:43:03 pm »

Mark,

The mistake was not realizing that the image had a narrow white border in it, and not accounting for that in measuring. The only lesson is to be careful, or you'll look stupid and waste people's time, including your own.

As to the 2mm, no, I'm not thrilled. If it's the case that this is within normal tolerance for this printer then fine, I will live with it. But if it isn't then I would still like to know why it happens, both for future reference on other images and because it's just enough off to be noticeable.

I appreciate your help, and that of Pete and Dan, very much.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2019, 04:54:17 pm »

OK thanks, and you are welcome.

If I can think of anything else that may be helpful to the 2mm, I'll post. Meanwhile if you solve it, do please let us know.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2019, 04:11:19 pm »

The 2mm discrepancy on the horizontal goes away when I use a custom size precisely measured, with no non-printable area, and calculate the margin needed for centering and enter it. I don't check "center."

The 2mm vertical discrepancy does not give up so easily, so I calculated the top margin needed to center the image and just added 1mm. That works.

Why the "center" check box produces inaccurate results remains a mystery to me.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2019, 05:23:31 pm »

You cannot have your paper width set to 19" on a 17" printer.
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A very common mistake of many is to put the size of the “print” in the paper setup sizes when printing a landscape oriented image.  The dialog box is asking how wide is the piece of paper you are using, not how wide is the print you are trying to print.  After entering the paper width, use the landscape/portrait choices to orient the image correctly. Not doing this can cause countless frustrations with wrong sizes, or even worse partial prints.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2019, 07:59:06 pm »

Wayne,

Could you clarify?

I'm not sure what point you are making, especially since there are several dialog boxes involved in the process.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2020, 10:27:46 am »

I think your main problem with this is that the image doesn't fit. In my opinion, resizing the image you want to print is very simple. All you need is to use a special image editing program like Photoshop, PhotoLab, Lightshot, or if you have no place or desire to install various programs, you can always edit everything using online services like https://imglarger.com/ . For example, the service that I have provided can very quickly change the size of the image to the one you need, despite the fact that all you need to do is upload the image and adjust what size you need. Perhaps you have a problem with the drivers or with the printer, but in my opinion it is better to experiment with the picture first, it may solve your problem.
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2020, 02:37:21 am »

Maybe this is a stupid question, but is your paper really 13"?
Once I was sure that I put certain size, but I made a mistake during cutting and the print was not centered...
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Re: Image size and placement on P800
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2020, 05:04:02 pm »

I have suddenly had a very similar problem, and I strongly suspect that a recent software update for the P800 from Epson may be responsible. Here is my situation:

I do all my printing from Lightroom 6.1, and I have a substantial set of printing presets for common sizes of paper that I use (most often 8.5x11" for test prints, and 13x19" for display prints.) One of my commonest prints sizes is to fill a 10x15" area centered on 13x19" paper. Thus, an image that is actually 10x15" will have borders of 2" on the short sides and 1.5" on the long sides. Prints of other sizes expand to fit either the 10" or 15" of the image area. This preset has worked for me perfectly for as long as LR 6.1 has been out, and I have made hundreds of prints using it.

I printed a couple of prints using this preset just a few days ago, after not printing since February. The P800 did get a new software update before I started printing. The Print Preview showed each print centered perfectly within the 10x15" region, with equal margins on the sides and equal margins top and bottom. However, the actual prints came out with the short side margins of 1" and 2", an effect very much like that of the original poster.

After checking all my settings a dozen times and updating my preset, I made test prints on some 13x19" paper that I don't use any more. All prints were off center in the same way. Curiously, I tried a couple of prints on my standard 8.5x11" preset, and that worked perfectly, with correct margins, as it has hundreds of times in the past. The problem seems to be specific to 13x19" paper.

Next, I tried a workaround: I created a new preset specifying margins of 0.5" on the side that printed with a 2" margin and 2" on the side that printed a half-inch margin. I tried this preset on two sample images. Each time the print preview suggested that the margins were now wrong in the reverse direction from prints using the previous preset, but the actual prints came out perfectly centered.

So this new preset seems to compensate correctly for the error that creeps in somewhere between computer and printer, so I will use this new preset for 13x19" paper until Epson (or whatever malicious mischief-maker) restores the pipeline.

I did also try one sample print using PhtoShop, and the same unequal margins appeared, so I strongly suspect an error in Epson'd latest update.

Sigh!

-Eric M.
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