mojave

[Jeremy Roussak]

Has anyone any experience of photographic software under Apple's new OS, Mojave?

PS, LR, C1, anything else?

Just curious - and wishing to be parasitic on others' experience rather than risking it!

Jeremy

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Upgraded yesterday, so far no issues.

[Mark D Segal]

More fundamentally, I'm wondering at what point in the OS upgrade progression my mid-2010 MacPro with 24GB RAM and 24 virtual cores, 2.66 GHz clock speed just starts coughing and heaving.

[digitaldog]

More fundamentally, I'm wondering at what point in the OS upgrade progression my mid-2010 MacPro with 24GB RAM and 24 virtual cores, 2.66 GHz clock speed just starts coughing and heaving.

I find this, that machine appears to the bottom of the rung that can run on, but there is a caveat about graphics card shown below:

Mac Hardware Requirements

For details about your Mac model, click the Apple icon at the top left of your screen and choose About This Mac. These Mac models are compatible with macOS Mojave:

MacBook (Early 2015 or newer)
MacBook Air (Mid 2012 or newer)
MacBook Pro (Mid 2012 or newer)
Mac mini (Late 2012 or newer)
iMac (Late 2012 or newer)
iMac Pro (2017)
Mac Pro (Late 2013; Mid 2010 and Mid 2012 models with recommended Metal-capable graphics cards)

[BJL]

More fundamentally, I'm wondering at what point in the OS upgrade progression my mid-2010 MacPro with 24GB RAM and 24 virtual cores, 2.66 GHz clock speed just starts coughing and heaving.

Mohave cuts support significantly, so as to guarantee that Metal graphics can be used, and that puts you on the edge: the system requirements at http://osxdaily.com/2018/06/05/macos-mojave-compatible-macs-list/ include
- Mac Pro (late 2013 or newer, or mid 2010 and mid 2012 models with Metal capable GPU)

So does your mid-2010 Mac Pro have a "Metal capable GPU", whatever that is?


P. S. Typed too slowly!

[Mark D Segal]

I haven't a clue what that is, but the compatible graphics cards for this model are very, very few.

[Garnick]

I haven't a clue what that is, but the compatible graphics cards for this model are very, very few.

Hi Mark,

As far as the graphics card is concerned, I have done some research for my MP 210/12 after the GPU crapped out very quickly with no warning at all.  I ordered the Radeon HD 5770 to replace the one in the MP when it died.  One thing I learned is that when a GPU dies the MacPro will not boot at all.  Once the new(er) HD 5770 card was installed the MP booted as usual and has performed as expected.  During my search I posted a question on the Apple Forum and found three cards for the MP 2010/12 that are compatible with Mojave.  You just have to make sure the card is stated as being "Mac Edition".  I can only recall one of those three cards.  I was going to order that card but I will do that when I feel I need to upgrade to Mojave, which will probably be at least 6 months after its public release, at which time I will install it on one of my Boot-Clones for testing all apps before installing the upgrade on my main Work Drive. 

The one GPU that I recall for the MP 1020/12 is this one from OWC -- https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sapphire/100352MAC/ .  Apparently a GPU for use in a PC can also be used in the Mac, as long as it has been flashed with Mac Firmware.

Gary

   

[TommyWeir]

A tip from Macworld re: Photoshop CS5

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-software/open-apps-wont-work-mojave-photoshop-3684425/

I've heard that InDesign CS5 presents issues.  It is 32-bit, while PS is 64-bit, Apple won't be supporting 32-bit apps beyond Mojave.  Though it is unclear what that will mean in practice, some apps may in fact run but be unpredictable.

Macworld list other apps which won't run https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/apps-work-macos-mojave-3678735/

[Mark D Segal]

Hi Mark,

As far as the graphics card is concerned, I have done some research for my MP 210/12 after the GPU crapped out very quickly with no warning at all.  I ordered the Radeon HD 5770 to replace the one in the MP when it died.  One thing I learned is that when a GPU dies the MacPro will not boot at all.  Once the new(er) HD 5770 card was installed the MP booted as usual and has performed as expected.  During my search I posted a question on the Apple Forum and found three cards for the MP 2010/12 that are compatible with Mojave.  You just have to make sure the card is stated as being "Mac Edition".  I can only recall one of those three cards.  I was going to order that card but I will do that when I feel I need to upgrade to Mojave, which will probably be at least 6 months after its public release, at which time I will install it on one of my Boot-Clones for testing all apps before installing the upgrade on my main Work Drive. 

The one GPU that I recall for the MP 1020/12 is this one from OWC -- https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sapphire/100352MAC/ .  Apparently a GPU for use in a PC can also be used in the Mac, as long as it has been flashed with Mac Firmware.

Gary

   

Hi Gary, thanks for the info. I have a Radeon 5870 now. The card offered on OWC isn't much of an advance on that one. No idea whether Mojave would work with either. I'm not going to try non-tested and non-recommended cards for this computer. I doubt I need Mojave, as I'm still happily using El Capitan.

Added to which I should say: Apple is supposed to be issuing a new MacPro at some indeterminate time. I'm sticking to what I have until I see what that is and whether it would be worth replacing this now 8 year old computer that is still doing very well.

[Garnick]

Hi Gary, thanks for the info. I have a Radeon 5870 now. The card offered on OWC isn't much of an advance on that one. No idea whether Mojave would work with either. I'm not going to try non-tested and non-recommended cards for this computer. I doubt I need Mojave, as I'm still happily using El Capitan.

Added to which I should say: Apple is supposed to be issuing a new MacPro at some indeterminate time. I'm sticking to what I have until I see what that is and whether it would be worth replacing this now 8 year old computer that is still doing very well.

Hi again Mark,

As mentioned previously, I will not be upgrading to Mojave until I feel comfortable that perhaps all or most of the BUGS have been repelled.  It usually takes 6 -12 months for me to take the plunge, and even then I would upgrade on a Boot-Clone to test all of my most important apps before upgrading on my Main Work Drive.  About 6 months ago I made a larger leap that ever before for me.   On the MacPro 5,1 and Mavericks I first tried Yosemite, but then decided to go to El Capitan on another drive.  El Capitan did not treat Photoshop CS6 well.  The Open file Dialog could not save a resize at all, nor the Save File Dialog.  I tried everything I could think of, including LuLa and the Apple Forum.  The best I could get on the Apple Forum was a reply that stated that those two dialogs(windows) are governed by the OS and Apple wasn't doing much about it at all.  On LuLa not many replies.  I also have a MacPro 4,1 that I use for certain apps, but all of my PS work and printing to Pro Graphics printers goes is done on the MP 5,1.  I will have to keep that MP 4,1 in good working order for one of my scanners, an Epson Expression 1680, a rather old workhorse that I use for scanning oversized pieces up to 20x30", but Silverfast will not support it in the 64bit Mojave OS.  I use the V750 for other projects, but the 1680 has glass that's level with the surrounding bed, which makes it ideal for large pieces.  I keep it in very good shape, since I do a number oversized art reproductions. 

Well, I guess I sort got derailed here again, but here's another link.  This is one on the Apple Forum and deals with more GPU's that are compatible with Mojave, including the one I sent previously.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8418863

Gary         

[Mark D Segal]

About 500 USD for that card. I'll wait for the new computer line-up. No point stuffing that much into an 8 year old machine. If anything, it would be more useful to convert the system drive to SSD and keep El Capitan.

[Daverich]

Hi again Mark,

As mentioned previously, I will not be upgrading to Mojave until I feel comfortable that perhaps all or most of the BUGS have been repelled.  It usually takes 6 -12 months for me to take the plunge, and even then I would upgrade on a Boot-Clone to test all of my most important apps before upgrading on my Main Work Drive.  About 6 months ago I made a larger leap that ever before for me.   On the MacPro 5,1 and Mavericks I first tried Yosemite, but then decided to go to El Capitan on another drive.  El Capitan did not treat Photoshop CS6 well.  The Open file Dialog could not save a resize at all, nor the Save File Dialog.  I tried everything I could think of, including LuLa and the Apple Forum.  The best I could get on the Apple Forum was a reply that stated that those two dialogs(windows) are governed by the OS and Apple wasn't doing much about it at all.  On LuLa not many replies.  I also have a MacPro 4,1 that I use for certain apps, but all of my PS work and printing to Pro Graphics printers goes is done on the MP 5,1.  I will have to keep that MP 4,1 in good working order for one of my scanners, an Epson Expression 1680, a rather old workhorse that I use for scanning oversized pieces up to 20x30", but Silverfast will not support it in the 64bit Mojave OS.  I use the V750 for other projects, but the 1680 has glass that's level with the surrounding bed, which makes it ideal for large pieces.  I keep it in very good shape, since I do a number oversized art reproductions. 

Well, I guess I sort got derailed here again, but here's another link.  This is one on the Apple Forum and deals with more GPU's that are compatible with Mojave, including the one I sent previously.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8418863

Gary         

Not sure what caused the problems for you with CS6 but they aren’t universal. I’ve kept my 2013 MacPro on the current Mac OS as they came out and the only problem I’ve ever had with CS6 was at some point tool tips quit working. I installed Mojave on a 2012 MacBook Pro to try it and so far CS6 appears to be working there as well.

[Garnick]

Not sure what caused the problems for you with CS6 but they aren’t universal. I’ve kept my 2013 MacPro on the current Mac OS as they came out and the only problem I’ve ever had with CS6 was at some point tool tips quit working. I installed Mojave on a 2012 MacBook Pro to try it and so far CS6 appears to be working there as well.

Hi Dave,

I think you might have misinterpreted what I wrote about El Capitan.  I tried it on both a 2009 and 2010/12 MacPro.  On both machines the same issue appeared as I described it.  I then upgraded the 2010/12 MacPro to High Sierra and no problems at all with PS CS6.  The highest OS for the 2009 MacPro is El Capitan, so I'll stay with Yosemite on that machine.  No problem with PS CS6 in Yosemite.  Of course I could flash the firmware on the 2009 4,1 MacPro and install the 5,1 firmware, but that's a bit iffy, and certainly not supported by Apple.  It would however allow me to install more recent versions of the Mac OS on the MP 4,1.  Not ready to take that on yet.

Gary   

[plugsnpixels]

I manage higher-ed computer labs and used to trust Apple the day an update came out, but for the first time in 20 years High Sierra scared me enough to stay away for months... My 400 computers all run it now no problem.

Ars Technica gave Mojave a very good review, saying it did not exhibit the same out-of-the-gate problems. So far I have (get this) successfully installed it on unsupported laptops (2008 and 2012 MacBook Pro's; I can provide details for anyone interested).

After HS I might wait a wee bit before updating my every-day computers, but not so long as before. My biggest concern would be little independent legacy utility-type apps.

[Wayne Fox]

I haven't a clue what that is, but the compatible graphics cards for this model are very, very few.

From 9 to 5 Mac :


First off, Apple outlines the graphic cards that support Metal and are therefore compatible with macOS Mojave on the mid-2010 and mid-2012 Mac Pro models:

MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5
SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7950 Mac Edition
NVIDIA Quadro K5000 for Mac
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Mac Edition
Apple says that “some other third-party graphics cards” based on certain AMD GPU families “might” also be compatible with Mojave on the mid-2010 and mid-2012 Mac Pro models:

AMD Radeon RX 560
AMD Radeon RX 570
AMD Radeon RX 580
AMD Radeon Pro WX 7100
AMD Radeon RX Vega 56
AMD Radeon RX Vega 64
AMD Radeon Pro WX 9100
AMD Radeon Frontier Edition

[Mark D Segal]

Thanks Wayne,; when one looks into buying most of the products that are assured to be compatible, one finds they are either discontinued, or expensive, or available on resale sites. A couple may still be OK, but not good value for an eight year old computer. Looking all this over, I'll wait for the next MacPro and decide what kind of upgrading makes sense at the time (plus the reserve margin of time for early adopters to get the bugs ironed out). I'm satisfied with the performance of what I have - both software and hardware.

[Dale Villeponteaux]

I haven't a clue what that is, but the compatible graphics cards for this model are very, very few.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_(API) This may be helpful.

Regards,
Dale

[Mark D Segal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_(API) This may be helpful.

Regards,
Dale

Ya, as a former industrial/energy development advisor I think I have some notions of materials technology encompassing metals, petrochemicals and a bunch of other stuff; but you were probably joking by making that reference.

Nonetheless, for avoidance of doubt, what I really don't have a clue about is how any of that relates to a "metal-capable GPU".

[rdonson]

Mark, this may help...

https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/06/28/why-macos-mojave-requires-metal----and-deprecates-opengl

[Mark D Segal]

Yes - thank you Ron - that clarifies it completely, and confirms there will be no Mojave and no "Metal" for me until Apple produces the next MacPro and I decide whether or not I want it. Keeping this bit of life easy!