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Chris Calohan

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Just curious
« on: September 14, 2018, 01:08:13 PM »

but on another forum I got into a pissing contest with a wedding photographer and some of his supporters who feel it is okay to have blown highlights and clogged blacks because that is "artistic" license. I called BS and perhaps a bit too loudly but it flies in the face of everything I've learned here and from my own personal experience.

What say youse guys?
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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2018, 01:35:20 PM »

Without seeing it, hard to say. But if the resulting image justifies it, I would have no problem with "blown highlights and clogged blacks."

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2018, 01:40:21 PM »

but on another forum I got into a pissing contest with a wedding photographer and some of his supporters who feel it is okay to have blown highlights and clogged blacks because that is "artistic" license. I called BS and perhaps a bit too loudly but it flies in the face of everything I've learned here and from my own personal experience.

What say youse guys?

Blown highlights and clogged blacks allergy is a photo club syndrome.

There is no rule here. In one picture it ruins the images, in another it supports the image.

The compulsiveness to inspect each photo in search of clogged blacks and blown highlights is loss of time.

Of coarse, ugly clipped color channels are something else than deliberately placed exposure near to II or VII.

 
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Re: Just curious
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2018, 02:48:42 PM »

All depends on the mood, circumstances and surroundings:

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2018, 03:03:41 PM »

Rob, please some more “clogged” blacks ;)

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2018, 03:39:11 PM »

Rob, please some more “clogged” blacks ;)


But Slobodan, though they still live in the freezer, I can't get any more Kodachromes processed!

:-)

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2018, 03:39:57 PM »

I think you've had the only answer anyone can give: "it depends". I suspect that in the vast majority of cases, and in the hands of a photographer less skilled than Rob, they'll look bloody awful, but I don't imagine there's a firm rule.

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2018, 04:10:27 PM »

Another model with clogged blacks

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2018, 04:28:45 PM »

Les's image is a near night shot and I would expect solid blacks...but in a daylight, full sun environment, I would not.
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Re: Just curious
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2018, 04:43:31 PM »

Les's image is a near night shot and I would expect solid blacks...but in a daylight, full sun environment, I would not.

It can be very expressive though...

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2018, 04:50:44 PM »

IMO "soot & chalk" works when it works.  ;D

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2018, 06:01:34 PM »


But Slobodan, though they still live in the freezer, I can't get any more Kodachromes processed!

:-)


Have them processed as b&w.


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Re: Just curious
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2018, 06:21:52 PM »

I would agree that it depends, and more often than not, I personally prefer crushed blacks over blown highlights.

Having said that, there is a trend in wedding photography to use natural light exclusively, which leads to challenging lighting situations, especially in interiors, where it is almost impossible to avoid those issues

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Re: Just curious
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2018, 07:40:35 PM »

I think what the difference is, is the intent...maybe I'm just too much a perfectionist when it comes to blown highlights. I just can't tolerate them. Bad on me, I guess.
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Re: Just curious
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2018, 08:04:19 PM »

My knee jerk reaction is to not have 'em, because I was raised on a steady diet of Adams. But when I put my mind to it, I don't mind 'em if they don't distract, or are part of the point. I am incredibly slapdash with exposure these days, because digital lets me commit almost infinite wickedness without anyone knowing.

If it's any comfort, the other chap's pictures are ridiculous, twee, mawkish junk, AND he's got no control over his tone curve. He's blowing highlights left and right because he doesn't know any better. The bride's dress would look much better if he knew how to place tones.
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Re: Just curious
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2018, 11:18:35 PM »

Although I'm a stickler for NOT getting blown highlights and try my best to prevent blocked shadows, there may be reasons for having them, but they better be darned convincing. It sounds to me the other guy is trying to find excuses for lack of skill.
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Re: Just curious
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2018, 02:33:05 AM »

Would anyone worry if the image was a painting?
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Re: Just curious
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2018, 02:38:28 AM »

Would anyone worry if the image was a painting?

The peoples who poke the nose in the canvas while looking to it, maybe.
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Re: Just curious
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2018, 03:40:54 AM »

but on another forum I got into a pissing contest with a wedding photographer and some of his supporters who feel it is okay to have blown highlights and clogged blacks because that is "artistic" license. I called BS and perhaps a bit too loudly but it flies in the face of everything I've learned here and from my own personal experience.

What say youse guys?


Just curious, are they still pissing? Or did you win?
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Re: Just curious
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2018, 03:43:03 AM »

My knee jerk reaction is to not have 'em, because I was raised on a steady diet of Adams. But when I put my mind to it, I don't mind 'em if they don't distract, or are part of the point. I am incredibly slapdash with exposure these days, because digital lets me commit almost infinite wickedness without anyone knowing.

If it's any comfort, the other chap's pictures are ridiculous, twee, mawkish junk, AND he's got no control over his tone curve. He's blowing highlights left and right because he doesn't know any better. The bride's dress would look much better if he knew how to place tones.

Ha, wedding photography is probably on of the disciplines where clogged black and blown out whites are a sign of incompetence.
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