After Photokina Medium Format rumors (UPD. And The WINNAH is FUUUJIIII !!! )

[narikin]

Why do they call it rangefinder though? It's still an EVF with video from the sensor, not the wonky off-center thing from film rangefinders days right?. I've also noticed there seems to be no joystick on the back of the 50R - how does one select AF points?

There IS a joystick to control AF points.

[armand]

Why do they call it rangefinder though? It's still an EVF with video from the sensor, not the wonky off-center thing from film rangefinders days right?. I've also noticed there seems to be no joystick on the back of the 50R - how does one select AF points?

With the power of mind. There is a joystick there.

[Doug Peterson]

Fuji gfx 50s is now supported by capture one, can't wait for Doug's post.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=126881.0

[Rado]

There IS a joystick to control AF points.

Ah right. Looked like a normal button to me at first sight.

[narikin]

It's close to 2.8 on a 35mmm equiv, with a modern sensor is not that bad. People are salivating over the GR with 2.8 on APS-C.

? Light is Light...
f3.5 is f3.5.  Period.  You want to shoot in low light, you need a faster lens than this.
I use a 60 f4 as my walk around lens, on Phase One FF back, and it's barely fast enough. I'd love another stop, with the same/better resolution.

It's f3.5 is a likely factor of the 'compact' trade off.  Tessar lens formulations can't be fast. (though I have not seen specs confirming it's a Tessar type)

[narikin]

Fuji gfx 50s is now supported by capture one, can't wait for Doug's post.

I guess this mean we won't be seeing a Phase One/ Mamiya 7 type body announced?
They wouldn't have directly supported a competitor if it was coming.

Shame.

[Bo_Dez]

Game over Hasselblad.

[narikin]

Game over Hasselblad.

and is this why Phase support Fuji - to cripple Hasselblad?

[Christopher]

I don’t see it that bad for Hasselblad, I personally would never buy the X1D, but it’s still a good camera. There certainly will be a 100Mp Version by the end of next year. What I dislike is the lenses... no zooms, no tele lens and so on.

One aspect that might raise the new Fuji GFX 100 to its own area which Hasselblad might not be able to match is IBIS.


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[narikin]

Here the new GFX-100 prototype

Which has 100% frame coverage of Phase detection pixels. Amazing!
And... IBIS !!

(and built in vertical grip, and... and...)

This is going to be a great camera.
Game over for Phase One XF, I have to say.  They *must* get something out to compete...

[Christopher]

Don’t think they will or need. If I talk to rent studios around here the only camera they are interested in is the XF with the 100MP. No body wants a GFX or other camera. This might change with capture one support but I doubt it.


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[Bo_Dez]

Fuji just annihilated and saved Phase One in one day.

[Bo_Dez]

I guess this mean we won't be seeing a Phase One/ Mamiya 7 type body announced?
They wouldn't have directly supported a competitor if it was coming.

Shame.

Not necessarily.

Fuji has the 33x44 market tied up now but Phase One could bring out a full frame 645 mirrorless, or of course, larger.

Either way, Phase One just conceded to Fuji and I thought would never happen. They know what is good for them after all!

[Bo_Dez]

Don’t think they will or need. If I talk to rent studios around here the only camera they are interested in is the XF with the 100MP. No body wants a GFX or other camera. This might change with capture one support but I doubt it.


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Mostly because of C1 though. Everything just changed.

[narikin]

Don’t think they will or need. If I talk to rent studios around here the only camera they are interested in is the XF with the 100MP. No body wants a GFX or other camera. This might change with capture one support but I doubt it.


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I respectfully disagree Christopher.

As an XF owner, this is the first body that excites me enough to downgrade my MP count to use. (My IQ4 is on order, I'll keep that for the Alps tech use). But this, with IBIS and AF points across 100% of frame, means I'll be headed to Fuji, no question. For what I do, this is the right camera. Ymmv, of course.

[davidgp]

Hasselblad just introduced three more XCD lenses, including an 80mm f1.9, and a teleconverter: https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2018/09/25/with-no-fanfare-hasselblad-quietly-announces-fastest-autofocus-lens-ever

[Christopher]

I respectfully disagree Christopher.

As an XF owner, this is the first body that excites me enough to downgrade my MP count to use. (My IQ4 is on order, I'll keep that for the Alps tech use). But this, with IBIS and AF points across 100% of frame, means I'll be headed to Fuji, no question. For what I do, this is the right camera. Ymmv, of course.

I don’t disagree in general. I have the full Fuji GFX System next to my XF and Arca system.

I already have an GFX100 on order ( whenever it ships) but I don’t see it as a downfall for phase.


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[BJL]

Why do they call it rangefinder though? It's still an EVF with video from the sensor, not the wonky off-center thing from film rangefinders days right?. I've also noticed there seems to be no joystick on the back of the 50R - how does one select AF points?

They only call it “rangefinder-style”, referring to shape — but I prefer just “flat-top” vs “bump-top”.
I’ve read that AF points can be chosen with the touch screen.

[Joe Towner]

? Light is Light...
f3.5 is f3.5.  Period.  You want to shoot in low light, you need a faster lens than this.

Given the current ISO performance of the CMOS chips I would state this is no longer the case.  Shooting at ISO1600 instead of ISO400 is of minimal difference now.  Add in the DoF difference and you're more likely to be at f3.5/4/5.6 at ISO3200.

[BJL]

? Light is Light...
f3.5 is f3.5.

True for intensity of sensor illumination, and for the ISO speed needed at a given shutter speed,
but in a larger format at equal angular FOV, the DOF is less, total sensor illumination is greater, and (so) a higher ISO speed can be used before noise is excessive. Have you skipped all the arguments about why FF is better than APS-C or MFT even when the latter have lenses of equally low minimum f-stop, or even lower?