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NEW Topaz upsampling product: A.I. Gigapixel
« on: August 16, 2018, 04:24:14 am »

Release date: August 16.

A.I. Gigapixel is a new image resizing app contender, for both JPEG and RAW images. See my blog post with examples and details. An unadvertised discount is available.
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Re: NEW Topaz upsampling product: A.I. Gigapixel
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2018, 05:54:11 am »

Release date: August 16.

A.I. Gigapixel is a new image resizing app contender, for both JPEG and RAW images. See my blog post with examples and details. An unadvertised discount is available.

Hi,

Thanks for the heads up. I look forward to trying it. Unfortunately, I cannot log-in upon starting the program (it says it's "unable to connect to the server"), although I can access my Topaz account via a webbrowser with the same credentials.

Probably a V1.0 bug, or they are not yet finished setting up things, and I have to be a bit more patient.

Cheers,
Bart

P.S. And here is the official A.I. Gigapixel website:
https://topazlabs.com/ai-gigapixel/
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Re: NEW Topaz upsampling product: A.I. Gigapixel
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2018, 08:33:00 am »

It would be useful to see a comparison vs Photoshop CC Details 2 up-sampling, which does a fantastic job.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2018, 11:10:10 am »

It would be useful to see a comparison vs Photoshop CC Details 2 up-sampling, which does a fantastic job.
+1 and ideally, in print (unless the tool is to work solely for screen output). Yeah, I know, that's hard to do but what can look butt ugly on-screen can look a lot better than the alternative on a print, assuming that's your goal.
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Re: NEW Topaz upsampling product: A.I. Gigapixel
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2018, 12:02:01 pm »

Thanks all, I had begun doing the PS comparisons and will continue later today. Everyone can now give this a try (I revised my blog links to get you straight to the now-released download).

True about prints being the main output method of such technology.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2018, 01:21:43 pm »

In a few tests I have done, it appears that the AI Gigapixel algorithm handles JPEG artifacts around edges better than PS Preserve Detail v 2.0.  Very limited testing though (a few images!) when upscaling 200%, default settings.  Otherwise, the results were not much different than PS, other than the fact that the AI-GP upscaling took a few minutes (MacBook Pro, 2015 - AMD Radeon R9 M370X 2048 MB) and PS took a few seconds (original image size was 3000 x 2000 pixels, for example).  See if this agrees with your experience when testing both applications.

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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2018, 04:48:11 pm »

Thanks Kirk!

I updated my blog post with some A.I. Gigapixel vs. PS results.
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2018, 05:33:05 pm »

Thank you!!!  One tip to show the comparison to Photoshop a bit better, turn off Pixel Grid in Photoshop on the fountain comparison :)
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2018, 05:44:28 pm »

Good point... ;-)
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Re: NEW Topaz upsampling product: A.I. Gigapixel
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2018, 06:01:42 pm »

Here's another 1-megapixel sample (shot at Cal Tech in the late '90s, plus full-frame reduced size for reference), enlarged to 400%, Photoshop on top (Preserve Details 2.0 + 10% noise reduction), Topaz on bottom (with Enhance Image checked).

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Re: NEW Topaz upsampling product: A.I. Gigapixel
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2018, 04:20:30 am »

Here's another 1-megapixel sample (shot at Cal Tech in the late '90s, plus full-frame reduced size for reference), enlarged to 400%, Photoshop on top (Preserve Details 2.0 + 10% noise reduction), Topaz on bottom (with Enhance Image checked).

Thanks

That’s actually quite impressive.

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2018, 09:36:14 am »

Time to process is very long, around 20 minutes to uprez a D850 image to 30 x 40 at 300 dpi or another run just uprezing to 150%.  On my Macpro, 1 year old, 4 way, 64GB of ram High Sierra.

Comparing at 100% to same file run on Adobe CC "enlargement and preserving details", images appear very similar, thus for me hard to justify the 20 minute run time.

Topaz also seems to have no way to keep the original file name, (at least I can't figure it out) as the file name is truncated to about 25 characters.  You have an option for a "output" suffix, so maybe you could rewrite the full file name, but that's not what I would want to do.

Tool may have better results on jpgs or smaller files, have yet to try anything besides D850 images.

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Re: NEW Topaz upsampling product: A.I. Gigapixel
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2018, 10:09:56 am »

Thanks Bernard and Paul. If I can today, I will test on my Hackintosh and see how the speed is.

I suspect the product will be further optimized over time.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2018, 10:39:49 am »

I would appreciate your opinion on a 24MP to 40MP file uprezed to just 150%. 

I may have a setting wrong, but the tool takes a very long time on my Mac's.  I will try in on Windows later today.  And on a few smaller 20Mp Drone images. 

The issue with file name is a bit of show stopper for me however.  Are you seeing the same file name truncation? 

My file names tend to be long, but carry out the process for that image.  Just my shorthand I guess.

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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2018, 10:49:52 am »

The issue with file name is a bit of show stopper for me however.  Are you seeing the same file name truncation? 
Doesn't this product ask what working space you want after processing the data? That would be a show stopper for me if this is the product I'm thinking about.
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2018, 11:13:52 am »

It asks you if you want to keep the current working space, as one of the options (states that is a faster way to operate).  Or you can pick the output space.

So far I have just told it to keep current color space.

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2018, 11:32:29 am »

I compared it at 200% with the tool posted on ll in August 2014. Image contained a dark brown negro model and an albino negro model.
So far the ai is slightly sharper in direct comparison. But also nog that impressed with  how it looks. Skin looks a bit artificial on the high key.

Need to do more tests with different images.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2018, 11:53:46 am »

It asks you if you want to keep the current working space, as one of the options (states that is a faster way to operate).  Or you can pick the output space.

So far I have just told it to keep current color space.

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Thanks. But why ask? Is the process not taking place on the current color space, converting otherwise?
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2018, 12:18:21 pm »

Time to process is very long, around 20 minutes to uprez a D850 image to 30 x 40 at 300 dpi or another run just uprezing to 150%.  On my Macpro, 1 year old, 4 way, 64GB of ram High Sierra.

Comparing at 100% to same file run on Adobe CC "enlargement and preserving details", images appear very similar, thus for me hard to justify the 20 minute run time.


Hi Paul,

'Topaz A.I. Gigapixel' can run batches in the background while you do something else, although it uses a lot of 'horsepower' from your computer. Improvements will be added to the application, but it remains a very processor and GPU intensive procedure.

Here's an inside story about its development:
https://topazlabs.com/a-i-gigapixel-story/

Using it for modest amounts of upsampling will only make a small difference in printed output quality. But the larger the output magnification is, e.g. to print at the printer's native resolution (600 PPI or 720 PPI), the more noticeable/visible the increased quality becomes. Obviously image content and quality also play a role. Lot's of intricate detail benefits more than large uniform areas and smooth gradients, and the higher quality the input is (e.g. properly capture sharpened and low noise), the higher the upsampled quality will be.

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Topaz also seems to have no way to keep the original file name, (at least I can't figure it out) as the file name is truncated to about 25 characters.  You have an option for a "output" suffix, so maybe you could rewrite the full file name, but that's not what I would want to do.

This seems to be something that can be easily adjusted, just let them know. I've previously had Service requests that have been adequately resolved, so I'd expect them to tackle this as well when someone points it out to them.

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Tool may have better results on jpgs or smaller files, have yet to try anything besides D850 images.

I've also tried it on large high quality images, and the result at 600% was magnificent (although the file size may exceed the TIFF limitations when 16-bit/channel quality is selected), when compared to Benvista's Photozoom Pro or On1's Perfect Resize.

Another thing one could try (e.g. with mediocre input images), is to significantly upsample, and then downsample to the required dimensions. The upsampling will add high resolution detail at the new size, which will be used to downsample to a potentially higher quality.

Another possibility is to blend 2 images in e.g. Photoshop, one A.I. Gigapixel layer on top of a regular upsampling layer, in case that produces a more pleasing result (which remains to be seen).

Cheers,
Bart
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2018, 12:23:36 pm »

Thanks. But why ask? Is the process not taking place on the current color space, converting otherwise?

Hi Andrew,

We don't know the inner workings but, in general, resampling at linear gamma has benefits for color fidelity, smoothness of gradients, and can reduce halo artifacts. So sooner or later, there are bound to be interim gamma changes, and a final mapping of the result to the required colorspace.

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