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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2018, 10:04:09 am »

Exactly! And the facts to back you up for Franz:
Reversion History:
V1.1.37: April 6 2018
Added support for the C751Q, C861Q, C981Q, EA245WMi-2, EA271F, P754Q, PA271Q, V754Q, V864Q, and V984Q.
I'm still running V1.1.34 because I've not done any hardware updates to my PC since building it two years ago.  I did get a new NEC monitor earlier this year but that one did not require any new version.  I've found NEC very responsive to correcting software glitches and addressing new equipment (even if it does not affect me).
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2018, 03:47:03 pm »

Just spoke with NEC tech support level 2. They are not aware that a SpectraView II revision update would cause the color shift I've noticed. So, I'm still in the dark as to why this is happening.
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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2018, 04:13:04 pm »

So, I'm still in the dark as to why this is happening.
We are in violent agreement.  ;D
If you actually RTFM, you'll see how to measure the display using both versions and come up with some actual measured data rather than make assumptions. But really, it's a waste of your time. Like most of the posts here. Revert back to the old version and be happy as NOTHING in the new version, with or without the so called 'color cast' is necessary for you. But we've been over that fact already.
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2018, 04:18:30 pm »

We are in violent agreement.  ;D
If you actually RTFM, you'll see how to measure the display using both versions and come up with some actual measured data rather than make assumptions. But really, it's a waste of your time. Like most of the posts here. Revert back to the old version and be happy as NOTHING in the new version, with or without the so called 'color cast' is necessary for you. But we've been over that fact already.

And this is helping how? I RTFM, know how to measure and calibrate and in spite of that there is a color shift. Nothing, absolutely nothing you have said on this issue has been of any help, but apparently you can't stop venting; maybe you should and stop chasing away others who might have some helpful hints.
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2018, 04:20:28 pm »

And this is helping how? I RTFM, know how to measure and calibrate and in spite of that there is a color shift. Nothing, absolutely nothing you have said on this issue has been of any help, but apparently you can't stop venting; maybe you should and stop chasing away others who might have some helpful hints.

Boy, I need to really connect the dots for you bud. You install older version and measure. You jot down the values. You install the newer version and do the same. Get it? I don't think so but I've tried.
If you think answering your questions is venting, maybe you should stop asking questions. Or to put it another way, from a fine film (Pulp Fiction):
Jules: If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.  :o
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2018, 05:43:28 pm »

Jules: If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.  :o
Another good one is the third proverb for paranoids from Pynchon's 'Gravity's Rainbow:' 3. If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers.
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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2018, 05:45:55 pm »

Boy, I need to really connect the dots for you bud. You install older version and measure. You jot down the values. You install the newer version and do the same. Get it? I don't think so but I've tried.
If you think answering your questions is venting, maybe you should stop asking questions. Or to put it another way, from a fine film (Pulp Fiction):
Jules: If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.  :o

Oh, and you think I didn't do that? Older version, calibrate to gamma 2.2, CCT 5200K, 105 nits: nearly perfect match. Newer version, calibrate to gamma 2.2, CCT 5200K, 105 nits: monitor image slightly cooler than the reference print. Recalibrate with the newer version to gamma 2.2, CCT 5500K, 105 nits: nearly perfect match. All calibrations are dead-on in that final values are within a hair of the target values.
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2018, 05:54:56 pm »


I’ve never seen a shift in color after updating.  I’ve been on the new version since the software told me to update (several months ago), and like Rodney recalibrate my 301w and 302w every 30 days.  Never an issue. The calibration after the new software matched perfectly.

Whatever the reason, it’s not the software.  Something unique to your system is causing the problem, so instead of trying to figure it out, just use the new software with the new values that gives you your match.  If this was a bug, there are quite a few users that would have reported it months ago.

Or you can spend a bunch of time trying to figure it out, but no one can help since it’s unique to your setup. 
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2018, 05:58:15 pm »

Oh, and you think I didn't do that? Older version, calibrate to gamma 2.2, CCT 5200K, 105 nits: nearly perfect match. Newer version, calibrate to gamma 2.2, CCT 5200K, 105 nits: monitor image slightly cooler than the reference print. Recalibrate with the newer version to gamma 2.2, CCT 5500K, 105 nits: nearly perfect match. All calibrations are dead-on in that final values are within a hair of the target values.
You still haven't! Lost in color space again. If you had, you'd provide the two sets or more of measured values, then I'd hold your hand again and tell you the deltaE difference.
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2018, 06:00:07 pm »

I’ve never seen a shift in color after updating.  I’ve been on the new version since the software told me to update (several months ago), and like Rodney recalibrate my 301w and 302w every 30 days.  Never an issue. The calibration after the new software matched perfectly.
Wrong answer for one who want's a different answer.
Correct answer for those that just want the facts.  ;)
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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2018, 06:27:59 pm »

You still haven't! Lost in color space again. If you had, you'd provide the two sets or more of measured values, then I'd hold your hand again and tell you the deltaE difference.

Enlighten me, Oh Wise One.
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2018, 06:30:42 pm »

Again: RTFM.

I did RTFM. It would be nice if you elaborated and helped me out.
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2018, 06:44:29 pm »

I did RTFM. It would be nice if you elaborated and helped me out.
Read it again, much more slowly. It’s all in there!
And alternative. I’d be happy to provide on-site training at a fee of $2000 per day plus expenses. I suggest you dedicate two days to learn how to measure your display with both the software versions. Then I can teach you how to calculate the Delta E differences between the two measurements. Hopefully two full days of on-site training will be sufficient for you to understand this concept.  :o
Certainly an author of your stature should find this in affordable alternative.
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« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2018, 06:49:14 pm »

Read it again, much more slowly. It’s all in there!
And alternative. I’d be happy to provide on-site training at a fee of $2000 per day plus expenses. I suggest you dedicate two days to learn how to measure your display with both the software versions. Then I can teach you how to calculate the Delta E differences between the two measurements. Hopefully two full days of on-site training will be sufficient for you to understand this concept.  :o
Certainly an author of your stature should find this in affordable alternative.

Please justify yourself or remain silent (aka put up or shut up).
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2018, 06:51:18 pm »

Please justify yourself or remain silent (aka put up or shut up).
I’ve totally justified myself. Again just tell me what you want to hear and then we can all finish this up even if the answer is completely made up. Otherwise no your request has been denied!
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2018, 07:27:23 pm »

Frans has been cross posting here and over at PhotoNet. Seems there's a post there that addresses his concerns if anyone other than Frans here is interested:
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/nec-spectraviewii-update-causes-color-shift.5510182/page-2#post-5685470
Man, I'm so happy that's all set and done.  ;D

 
EDIT: just got this from NEC Q support; another happy customer.
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Re: NEC SpectraViewII update causes color shift?
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2018, 07:54:29 pm »

I rest my case.
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« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2018, 07:56:18 pm »

I rest my case.
Your resulting silence will be golden.
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