need experienced opinion

[MichaelEzra]

FYI, Rawtherapee may have support for the Fuji files.

[Doug Peterson]

...Some MF camera manufacturers relied on the sensor manufacturer specs for their base characterisation...

It's my informed conjecture that Team Phase One (the combined color teams of Phase One and the artists formerly known as Leaf), because of their hybrid experience in camera manufacturing and camera-raw processing (where you work with a lot of other brands of cameras), and their obsession with color, spends more time per-model generating, fine-tuning, and field testing their color profiles than any other camera manufacturer.

Some discussion of their process, which melds target/objective capture, software analysis, visual analysis, field testing, and intuition/experience is here: https://luminous-landscape.com/the-phase-one-iq250-cmos-fully-realized/

Of course this is just conjecture. I don't have (and I suspect no one has) provable numbers for this data.

[eronald]

It's my informed conjecture that Team Phase One (the combined color teams of Phase One and the artists formerly known as Leaf), because of their hybrid experience in camera manufacturing and camera-raw processing (where you work with a lot of other brands of cameras), and their obsession with color, spends more time per-model generating, fine-tuning, and field testing their color profiles than any other camera manufacturer.

Some discussion of their process, which melds target/objective capture, software analysis, visual analysis, field testing, and intuition/experience is here: https://luminous-landscape.com/the-phase-one-iq250-cmos-fully-realized/

Of course this is just conjecture. I don't have (and I suspect no one has) provable numbers for this data.

Doug, I think the Bayer patent at Kodak of 1975 precedes work done at Phase One on raw conversion.

Frankly I think that after 40 years the technology has just about reached its limits as far as color is concerned and we should be moving to multi-spectral imaging for anything that is culture-related, and probably most other stuff too.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3971065A/en

Edmund

[Doug Peterson]

Frankly I think that after 40 years the technology has just about reached its limits as far as color is concerned.

It's tempting to think that. But the Phase One Trichromatic was released last year and it's hard to argue against the improvements it made. And raw processing (including color detail and shadow/highlight color accuracy) in raw processing just keeps getting better. Just compare a raw file in Capture One 11 to Capture One 6; both of which were released well into this 40-year window .

Now it's an entirely different question to ask which companies will continue to push the limits when the results we have are already quite good. Phase One has a rather obsessive approach to image quality, so I'd bet good money that when we look back from Capture One version 17 will have greatly improved on the color and detail that Capture One 11 can currently extract from a given raw file.

[eronald]

It's tempting to think that. But the Phase One Trichromatic was released last year and it's hard to argue against the improvements it made. And raw processing (including color detail and shadow/highlight color accuracy) in raw processing just keeps getting better. Just compare a raw file in Capture One 11 to Capture One 6; both of which were released well into this 40-year window .

Now it's an entirely different question to ask which companies will continue to push the limits when the results we have are already quite good. Phase One has a rather obsessive approach to image quality, so I'd bet good money that when we look back from Capture One version 17 will have greatly improved on the color and detail that Capture One 11 can currently extract from a given raw file.

Doug,

 I will let you do the comparing, and go and buy a Hassy as soon as people start chucking them in the trash - but if you have a cheap back for my SWC please pm me

 Now if you want me to publicly admit that Phase backs and P1 have color that is as good as the competition's and sometimes better, I will do so once again, no problem.

Edmund

[DmacK1]

Thankyou for the feedback. Yes, I could learn a thing or two or more.
Fuji is awesome, its light, its touch screen, it's a nice build.
I think the film simulations are a bit of a gimmick.  I just acquired an df+ and I'll see how I like it. They have all the advantage with high end LS native glass, sync speed, software Just a perfect blend 
Capture one phaseone. If you have an open platform camera body for over 50 backs you can expect some phone calls when your software doesn't support those backs.

[Doug Peterson]

If you have an open platform camera body for over 50 backs you can expect some phone calls when your software doesn't support those backs.

Every back that Phase One has ever made is fully supported in C1.
Every back that Leaf made, after its acquisition is fully supported in C1, including several that were made before the acquisition.

You can even plug in a 1998 LightPhase to Capture One 11.2 on MacOS 10.13 and shoot tethered. It's hard to think of another camera company whose software support extends so far back into their history.

To what "those backs" are you referring to?

[pschefz]

Thankyou for the feedback. Yes, I could learn a thing or two or more.
Fuji is awesome, its light, its touch screen, it's a nice build.
I think the film simulations are a bit of a gimmick.  I just acquired an df+ and I'll see how I like it. They have all the advantage with high end LS native glass, sync speed, software Just a perfect blend 
Capture one phaseone. If you have an open platform camera body for over 50 backs you can expect some phone calls when your software doesn't support those backs.

congrats on your purchase!
not sure how fuji's film looks (given their history) are a gimmick but phase is the last word inn color and profiles...
yes, C1 does support all those backs.....and pretty much every other software also still supports 1000s of completely outdated cameras (and backs) bout that does not necessarily mean that i would want to shoot with them.....
just out of curiosity: what did you end up with at what price?

[eronald]

I don't think Fuji's film simulations are a gimmick.
https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/blog/article/12383/

Edmund

[TommyWeir]

Yep, I use them all the time.   If I shoot an event and deliver quickly, that's what they get.  Acros+Y being a favorite but the Chrome too.  It's very nice when your sole interaction with Capture One is rating the images.

[Doug Peterson]

yes, C1 does support all those backs.....and pretty much every other software also still supports 1000s of completely outdated cameras (and backs)

I meant for both raw processing and tethering. In many cases other camera companies stop supporting cameras in their tether software after 2-4 generations. P1 still supports tethering for every camera they've ever made.

Of course this is only relevant if you're tethering.

[eronald]

Yep, I use them all the time.   If I shoot an event and deliver quickly, that's what they get.  Acros+Y being a favorite but the Chrome too.  It's very nice when your sole interaction with Capture One is rating the images.

Film color science is still the standard by which imaging is judged.

Edmund

[landscapephoto]

I meant for both raw processing and tethering. In many cases other camera companies stop supporting cameras in their tether software after 2-4 generations. P1 still supports tethering for every camera they've ever made.

Of course this is only relevant if you're tethering.

I think that Phocus still supports all cameras made by Hasselblad. I may be wrong, but it certainly still support pretty ancient cameras.